Tested: Does a shorter, lighter tire always equal more speed?

Andy
By Andy Hollis
May 13, 2024 | Nankang, Wheels & Tires, CR-S, Nankang CR-S | Posted in Tires & Wheels , Features | From the Oct. 2023 issue | Never miss an article

Photography by Andy Hollis

The internet is full of motorsports keyboard warriors who will debate endlessly about the theoretical superiority of their favorite components or setup. Specs and physics equations are wielded like swords on the battlefield of paper builds. 

Done well, this approach can yield some useful information. After all, simulation works on the same principles and has proved its value. But at the …

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Comments
Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
7/31/23 9:50 a.m.

Looks like I have a new book to add to my reading list.

kjs9471
kjs9471 GRM+ Memberand New Reader
7/31/23 10:31 a.m.

Finally! Thank you for the info!

bradalderman
bradalderman GRM+ Member
7/31/23 12:38 p.m.

Well I was holding out for that 235 to pop up on TR, but perhaps I'll just pull the trigger on the 245. Thanks, Andy! 

racerfink
racerfink UberDork
7/31/23 12:57 p.m.

Hey, I recognize that track in the photo!  Lot greener looking than when I'm usually there though...

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
7/31/23 1:07 p.m.

As always this stuff varies from car to car and very likely driver to driver for said car.

I bought Paul Haney's book a few years back; I found it to be handy.

Andy Hollis
Andy Hollis
8/1/23 6:50 a.m.
Tom1200 said:

As always this stuff varies from car to car and very likely driver to driver for said car

Indeed.

Our testing is intended to be a single data point, useful to weed out the low performers and investigate ideas.  Clearly, optimizing the car setup (and driver) for each tire would be ideal...but also logistically impractical.  So we do what we do.  Which also mirrors what most competitors will do (slap on a different set of tires and go).  Only the most resourceful and sophisticated will go to great lengths to do comprehensive personalized testing.  Even then, our work at least gives a starting point, if not a final answer.

camopaint0707
camopaint0707 Reader
8/1/23 8:26 a.m.

what was the wheel used?

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/1/23 10:07 a.m.

Unfortunately the Haney book is out of print, there's no e-book version, and used copies are going for crazy prices online.  I borrowed a copy from a friend to read and it had a lot of interesting things to say, so it's definitely something to keep your eyes open for.

I am curious about the expectation that shorter gearing would always be better?  Isn't that a very course-dependent thing?  Is it just that this is a track and car that you have a lot of experience with and know that shorter gearing is beneficial here?

 

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
8/1/23 10:46 a.m.

In reply to Andy Hollis :

I should elaborate as my comments were not aimed at the testing procedure.

Some drivers will not use the extra lateral grip provided by the wider tire; I know some solidly competent drivers who won't push the car to the ragged edge in corners, they'll run about 95% of the car's capability and so a lighter tire may net them a slightly faster lap time do to the lower rolling resistance.

Some cars need all the help they can get; I run Hoosier TDs on my Datsun 1200, between the lower gearing, rolling resistance and lighter tire it makes a difference. Note the car is very underpowered, if the car had 30-40 more horsepower I'd reconsider this set up.

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
8/1/23 10:52 a.m.

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

In the Datsun the shorter tire / gearing benefit is two fold; it runs the motor higher up in the RPM range (where the power is) in any given corner and it allows me stay in 3rd and 4th thereby negating 4-6 extra shifts per lap. 

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