Arizona vs. The Good People of Los Angeles

Otto_Maddox wrote: In reply to Strizzo: Well, do the cops have to take a license or even a social security card at face value or can they hold the person until they can figure it out for sure? I don't really know how to prove I am a citizen if my drivers license isn't good enough. I guess I have a passport somewhere, but I have no idea where my birth certificate or social security card are hiding. I surely don't keep stuff like that on me for examination at a moment's notice.

They can look you up in the system from their computer. All they need is a name & address, or SSN.

Otto_Maddox wrote: Is it common for illegals to have a drivers license? If so, is simply having a license proof enough of citizenship?

if you're claiming to be a citizen, yes. If you're claiming to be a legal resident, no. You must still have your residency papers.

If you claim to be a citizen and you're not, you've just given false info to police.

In reply to GameboyRMH:

to answer your question, supplies and resources. Those extremists can come from the sources you mention, but advanced goods and cash funds to supply activities has to come in thru borders. Usually our ports, but also from other nations.

The reason being is that its easier for authorities to track suspicious purchases made inside the country than it is to strictly monitor all imports, or illegal imports. (if they don't have the resources to monitor for people, how could they be expected to monitor for materials too?)

Did you realize an illegal can get a SS card?

I see a lot of them.

When we do a home loan we now have to check tax returns and SS cards on 100% of the people to be sure they haven't lied about income and that they really are who they say they are. Native born Americans can only have one SS legally. Immigrants can have up to 3, although most only have 2. I don't know why that is, but it seems new cards and numbers are issued at different stages of the process. I have one right now that says "Valid for work only with INS authorization". That's his SS #2

Strizzo wrote:

Otto_Maddox wrote: Is it common for illegals to have a drivers license? If so, is simply having a license proof enough of citizenship?

i mentioned this a few pages back, but i had to show my social security card and/or birth certificate in order to get my learner's permit. then after i already had my permit, i didnt have to show it again, but it DOES have to be shown at some point to prove that you are actually a US resident.

Not able to proove you are legally in the US, then California won't give you a drivers license.

Otto_Maddox wrote: Is it common for illegals to have a drivers license? If so, is simply having a license proof enough of citizenship?

here in nh a state cop and a bunch of dmv employees got busted in a cash for licenses for illegals.

oldsaw wrote:

GameboyRMH wrote:

oldsaw wrote:

GameboyRMH wrote: On a serious note, imposing harsh punishments for hiring illegal immigrants sounds like a good solution. No racial profiling needed and a helluva lot cheaper and easier than turning the US/Mexico border into camera-covered fence-separated truck-patrolled UAV-monitored Great Wall 2.0.

Get back to us about border protection after a terror attack occurs in Bridgetown - one perpetrated by tourists who were "just visiting".............

You could have a lake of fire running across the border and it wouldn't do a thing to make the US safer from terrorists. In terms of preventing terrorist attacks, all the doodads on the US south border are a bunch of security theatre. Terrorists can enter the country legally or be born-and-raised Americans, why would they need to do an illegal border crossing (into a state as far as possible from most valuable targets of those on the mainland)?

So, I guess you allow complete strangers into your home, leave the doors unlocked and windows open at night, too? Having an family member, friend, neighbor or acquaintance go "radical" are completely different circumstances and require a lot circumspection from both authorities and citizens. Not that your opinions have no intrinsic value, but why are you so adamant that your positions have as much or more validity than those who actually bear the cost and consequence of a failing US immigration policy? Just asking............

No, but I don't go crazy on locking down my back door when I have sliding glass doors all around the house.

I don't see how my opinions are less valid. Less consequential, sure, less valid, no.

GameboyRMH wrote: I don't see how my opinions are less valid. Less consequential, sure, less valid, no.

Put some skin in the game.

Petition for an entrance visa and (maybe) work towards eventual citizenship, taking the time and making the effort to accept and embrace ALL that it takes to actually become legal in the US. Once accomplished, opinions become MORE valid.

Until then, you take your chances by criticising any country's internal issues without ever experiencing them personally.

News from my neck of the woods as of yesterday; from the "They're just here to work files." Illegals in Cherokee county...(which 15 years ago was a really nice place to live, and has been transformed into a E36 M3 hole by the illegal south/central american immigrants,) with ties to the 18th st. gang busted counterfeiting driver's licenses, SS cards, and PASSPORTS:

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/23786490/detail.html

Uh oh. That's for sure profiling. I'm sure they followed some brown people with Hispanic names to the apartment.

[sarcasm]The cops should have been even handed and investigated/followed the blacks, whites and Asians living in the area just to make sure they weren't the perps.[/sarcasm]