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Mad_Ratel
Mad_Ratel Dork
12/26/24 9:19 a.m.

Will head out to test drive here in a minute, with three kids in tow since mom's working. (11/9/5) all with ADHD...

Some dealers up north are posting these insane deals on their websites:  local shows 63k for a lariat in blue.  I'm really hoping i can talk them down to closer to the below number before trade in. 

jstein77
jstein77 UberDork
12/26/24 11:58 a.m.

In reply to Mad_Ratel :

You'll have to let us know how the test drive went.  Can we assume by the time gap that you're in purchase negotiations?

peanutpckrupper
peanutpckrupper Reader
12/26/24 12:30 p.m.

In reply to Mad_Ratel :

Good luck! I've been looking for a Lightning recently and found that every dealer with insane pricing like that is double stacking the federal tax credit. 

Mad_Ratel
Mad_Ratel Dork
12/26/24 1:01 p.m.

Test drive was as good as promised. Three kids in the truck, one goes "dad at least it does not smell like burning oil like your truck" (I just had to change the vacuum pump which was leaking oil on the exhaust and into the cabin) I could smack him upside the head.

Wife insisted on getting a chance to test drive. so i brought the boys home to take my subwoofer/mirrors/dashcam/pickup shell off my truck. 

Sales guy gave me a landline, so i cant text him which is insane in today's world. 

Works out to a 61.7k "sale" price with rebates.  I cant see whats in the 14k, they did say it's got the tax rebate as part of it.  

plus 2.3k in taxes, no idea what capital VIP protection is but i aint buying it. 800 in admin fees and 500 for out of state fees (which is bogus as i'm in SC vs NC).  

Mad_Ratel
Mad_Ratel Dork
12/26/24 3:43 p.m.

Wow, End of day and i have yet to hear back from the sales guy despite calling several times.

It's a 40 min drive. Just need him to respond.  Carvanna offered 11k for my truck.

Dusterbd13
Dusterbd13 MegaDork
12/26/24 4:32 p.m.

Call paramount ford in Valdeze. That's who I'm dealing with for my maverick. They're way cheaper than anyone else I talked to. 

Mad_Ratel
Mad_Ratel Dork
12/26/24 8:33 p.m.
Dusterbd13 said:

Call paramount ford in Valdeze. That's who I'm dealing with for my maverick. They're way cheaper than anyone else I talked to. 

wish I had seen this.  They sold the truck i test drove and every other new lightning today (manager said 22 cars today sold and I could see the change in the parking lot). 

So I got there at 430 and just got home after spending WAY too long to do what should have taken easily 30 minutes tops.  Firmly reminding me that i hate dealers.  

the only question I have is whether to get the offered 84/100k warranty bumper to bumper for 4950.  I feel like it's snake oil? 

14k in rebates/discounts including the tax credit. 

12k for my trade in (which was the top of kbb for the truck.)  plus a 1k trade in assist (see above).  

Side note: first offer was 8k for my truck, told them I got 11k from carvanna. They come back with 9k (and bring up the rebate they had already included).  I try carmax online and get 12.6k.  so they met me at 12k.  

The sales guy has to drive to Wilmington NC tomorrow to pick up my truck and drive it back then get it cleaned for sale.  So most likely friday afternoon before i see the truck.  

Sales guy kept telling me to drive my truck home (45 min each way)  and he'd swap out for it tomorrow.  I refused. Call me suspicious but after already signign the paperwork. I dont dare tempt fate by driving the truck.  

0% financing for 72 months (free money).  

 

will need to order a camper shell for it, linex the bed, tint the windows. 

Rumor has it that ford is offering a 2k rebate for charger installation that will be easily used for the above and installing the charger. 

DrMikeCSI
DrMikeCSI Reader
12/26/24 8:47 p.m.

 Call me suspicious but after already signign the paperwork. I dont dare tempt fate by driving the truck.  
Not suspicious, smart and cautious.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Publisher
12/27/24 7:45 a.m.

Congrats!!

Make sure you order adapter(s) to use Tesla chargers if you're going to road-trip at all. Definitely a level 3 NACS>CCS1 DC fast charging adapter (I have the free one Ford mailed out), but I also get a lot of use out of my level 2 NACS>J1772 adapter for AC destination charging at hotels, tracks and friends houses (I have an 80A TeslaTap). 

Mad_Ratel
Mad_Ratel Dork
12/27/24 11:59 a.m.
Tom Suddard said:

Congrats!!

Make sure you order adapter(s) to use Tesla chargers if you're going to road-trip at all. Definitely a level 3 NACS>CCS1 DC fast charging adapter (I have the free one Ford mailed out), but I also get a lot of use out of my level 2 NACS>J1772 adapter for AC destination charging at hotels, tracks and friends houses (I have an 80A TeslaTap). 

Tom, I was really hoping to get your insight on the 84/100k warranty.  I just cant decide one way or the other. Based on your usage it would appear unnecessary.  For my old truck it would have saved me a whopping 250. but a buddy it would have saved him 8k in timing chain work on his ecoboost.  Such a toss of the dice.  No liability either, just your thoughts. 

Loweguy5
Loweguy5 GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/27/24 12:47 p.m.

In reply to Mad_Ratel :

As one who was in the car business for 15 years and an owner of a Lightning, i would not buy that coverage at that price.  Go online and shop the price:  you can buy Ford plans from other dealers like Grainger who will sell it at or near cost.  On my own Lightning I did not buy it at all.  The riskiest parts of the truck are covered for 8 years.

Mad_Ratel
Mad_Ratel Dork
12/27/24 7:21 p.m.

In reply to Loweguy5 :

Thanks, thats what i was thinking, just needed to make sure i was not insane. 

Truck arrived at 6pm in the dark at my inlaws house.  cleaned up but with only 46 miles to empty.  6 miles to home and 42mis to empty when i got here. 

I plugged it into 120v and it says it'll be...

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Wednesday at 5pm before it's 100%.  for those readers in the future, it's currently 7pm on a friday.  

 

 

 

 

Loweguy5
Loweguy5 GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/27/24 7:26 p.m.

Beautiful color!  I'll be shocked (see what I did there) if a week from now you don't say it's the best vehicle you've ever owned.  Congratulations!

Loweguy5
Loweguy5 GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/27/24 7:29 p.m.

If you feel like watching Lightning related YT content this is my channel:

 

https://youtube.com/@thingswithwheels1?si=f7Dhm0udB2zKF20D

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Publisher
12/27/24 7:47 p.m.

I wouldn't buy any extended warranty, but certainly not one for a truck where all the scary bits are already covered for so long. They're just insurance that locks you into using a terrible provider and then tries to avoid paying at all costs.

Granted, I have the tools and ability to fix 99% of things at home, and a big repair wouldn't ruin my life like it would some people's, but by definition you're more likely to come out ahead by putting that warranty cost in your own savings account and saving it for repairs.

(sorry, rant over) 

Mad_Ratel
Mad_Ratel Dork
12/28/24 6:52 p.m.
Tom Suddard said:

I wouldn't buy any extended warranty, but certainly not one for a truck where all the scary bits are already covered for so long. They're just insurance that locks you into using a terrible provider and then tries to avoid paying at all costs.

Granted, I have the tools and ability to fix 99% of things at home, and a big repair wouldn't ruin my life like it would some people's, but by definition you're more likely to come out ahead by putting that warranty cost in your own savings account and saving it for repairs.

(sorry, rant over) 

We think alike then. 

I've tried the local ford dealer fast charger for 30 min this morning and got 58 kwh. I was also not charged.  I used a local Tesla fast charger and also go 58 kwh but in 24 min. (it peaked at 175 kw and was labeled 250kw vs the ford charging system average of 106 kw.)  The 58kw cost me ~30.75 dollars at $0.53/kw, though this morning before my nacs adapter arrived that same station showed $0.43/kw. 

The Tesla charger is an older one, and i nearly had to run the red/white stand over to get the charge port close enough to reach with the cable.  I also got a LOT of big buy eyes from the ladies charging their tesla's on either side of me.  Strangely, I figured there would be some conversation but no one wanted to talk.  

I'll say that if i could have specified a truck like yours w/o the gigantic touch screen i would have.  I am not a fan at all.  but everything else of the truck makes up for it.

Blue cruise is cool, but also nerve wracking and I just do not see myself using it or needing it.  

The truck is quiet, comfortable (though i liked my 2014's seats better, they just felt like th ey were higher quality).  The version of BO for the stereo is decent though i feel like for a Lariat it should be a level nicer (like the plat gets apparently).  

The frunk is super useful and I've used it a ton already.

My local power company is a coop that offers reduced power pricing per kwh if i get a submeter and let them install a time device of some kind to the charge circuit.  My panel is a 200A max rated panel and it's COMPLETELY full. So I'll most likely add a sub panel at the same time I add the outlet for the home charger. If it was a more modern service I would do the work myself. But last time I added a subpanel I fried 0 gauge wire in an arc accidentally touching the mains and went from holding wire to barehanded. Somehow miraculously not getting burnt by the wire that vaporized in said hands.

Note:  I keep finding references to ford sending me a home charge station but not where I sign up or can find out when it would arrive.  Due to this I went ahead and ordered a Universal Tesla charger that will be here monday.  I work from home and most of the time will have little need for the faster charging, but in 13 hours of 110v charging last night, i got 12 miles of range...  Our standard rate is $0.13/kwh here, so even at the standard rate there are substantial savings to be had charging at home.  Enough that i've mentioned the wife may need to think of a Mach E or some other EV as her next car for her daily commute.  

Sadly it got dark before I remembered to take a picture of the truck that was not me sitting at the tesla station.. 

oh telling the truck to precondition from the restaurant today was awesome, getting in with it defrosted, warm, and the seats heated was quite enjoyable. 

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