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84FSP
84FSP HalfDork
1/12/16 9:00 p.m.

The tile work is beautiful! Great mix of texture, color, and light gloss colors to bounce more light. Great stuff here sir. The only bathroom I've done to this extent goes in my category of proud achievements I intend to never repeat. Tough stuff to get right and lots of hard work.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
1/13/16 7:00 a.m.

What are your face frames made of?

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/13/16 8:02 a.m.
mazdeuce wrote: What are your face frames made of?

maple. boxes are prefinished birch. got all that at menards because lowes and home depot are too stupid to carry cabinet building supplies. seriously, go have a laugh at home depot's "cabinet grade" plywood. pre-finished is $8 more per sheet, which is a no brainer. wish the closest menards werent 45-52 miles away.

time to get back to work. might just set up outside, while it sucks because it's 6 right now i don't want to have to pre cut the rest of everything in my dad's garage, which is also 6 inside and it'll take a while to get warm with his electric heat. i stained and cleared everything last night in my garage with my big diesel heater. i don't do wood cutting in my garage due to, you know, cars and open engines and stuff.

einy
einy New Reader
1/13/16 6:19 p.m.

We just started getting Menards stores in Cincinnati area where I live now. Project life is MUCH better now around the house

dculberson
dculberson UberDork
1/14/16 10:39 a.m.
patgizz wrote: got all that at menards because lowes and home depot are too stupid to carry cabinet building supplies. seriously, go have a laugh at home depot's "cabinet grade" plywood.

Same with their "#1 grade" wood. I was looking for some 1x8 for the wood trim in my family room and their stuff was expensive and all of it was warped. Menards had S4S poplar 1x8 for - well - it's still expensive, but it was straight and each piece was individually shrink wrapped. 100x better than anything Home Depot offers in their lumber section.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/14/16 10:47 a.m.

me yesterday, 7 degrees, saws set up in the snow. i parked the van by the house on purpose before the snow to keep a clean spot of ground to set up in.

drawer box commencing

drawers assemble!

today: it never gets less nerve wracking cutting into an expensive piece of stone with a turbo wheel on a grinder, no matter whose house it is and how many times i've done it.

Jerry From LA
Jerry From LA Dork
1/14/16 10:54 a.m.

Boy those joins will be tight when you get them back in the house and they warm up.

Harvey
Harvey GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/14/16 11:21 a.m.
mazdeuce wrote: Nobody is born knowing how to do this. It's a combination of someone showing you things and just good old fashioned practice. You need to be willing to frost a few ugly cakes along the way. Can't wait to see the cabinets go together.

Some people have more of an affinity for it. Also doesn't help that I have shaky hands from an inherited nervous system issue. Makes good welding particularly difficult.

Enyar
Enyar Dork
1/14/16 11:56 a.m.

Awesome. Anyone know of a Menards equivalent in Florida?

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
1/15/16 9:22 p.m.

ready?

everything is done except painting the door, which i'm going to do in a couple weeks as the kids room door across from the bathroom door is getting replaced and the small hallway is getting fixed up/lit so i'll paint all the trim/doors in one shot.

drawer boxes in:

why is that top drawer angled on top?

for absolute maximum use of the space, of course

these are the coolest tub doors i've ever used. plus the curve gives me 4" more elbow room

corner shelves

she wanted her picture taken, then closed her eyes for it

in GRM form, the light and faucet were on clearance. faucet was 75% off of $98, and it's been in the basement waiting for this day for 4 years. also, the medicine cabinet was $26 marked down from $198

my wife wanted a tall linen cabinet

Pfister? I hardly know her...

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/15/16 9:45 p.m.

Beautifully done. Thanks for sharing.

Harvey
Harvey GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/15/16 9:50 p.m.

That E36 M3 is mad tyte. Closing window before my wife sees and starts getting jealous.

wbjones
wbjones MegaDork
1/15/16 11:57 p.m.

how far away do you live ?

my entire house needs remodeling ... though I'm not sure I could afford you

really really nice work

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
1/16/16 5:28 a.m.

Well done. I now have new goals.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/16/16 8:08 a.m.
wbjones wrote: how far away do you live ? my entire house needs remodeling ... though I'm not sure I could afford you really really nice work

Cleveland. We do budget friendly and high end work. I figured we'd probably charge $20-22k for my bathroom due to the structural work, rewiring, and amount of labor. We're moving away from larger projects as they take much time and are murder on my body.

I've been remodeling since i was 14. Used to take my truck to high school and go work afterward. I was hired by the Champion franchise in Cleveland as their carpenter when i was 18, then was an installation manager for a 6 state sunroom company by the time I was 21. The biggest thing learned in that time was I worked too hard to have some jerk above me doing nothing making the $ while I dealt with the headaches. We've been in business for 14 years now and have enough reputation that we don't advertise. Our business is referral only. I just can't do it much longer before i ruin my knees and back.

The funniest thing is that it's hard to remember what it was like before. My bedroom is the same way, it's hard to remember sleeping in the old room.

Kitchen is next year. I'm going to build all the cabinets to fit the room instead of fitting stock sizes to the space. I can see it in my head and wish i could do it sooner but the house and budget can only take one major project a year. Have to keep time for car projects too

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand UberDork
1/16/16 10:17 a.m.

Your work is simply amazing. So impressed.

If you had worked on this project solely, from start to finish, how many days would it have taken you?

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/16/16 12:10 p.m.

Probably 12 alone, 7 with help. I had help for 6 hours of one day. If he were cutting tiles i would have been slapping them up quicker. And it was hell running 4x8 panels through the table saw alone. Going to buy a panel saw before i do the kitchen.

I estimated there are a hair over 8,000 tiles and right around 1,000 of them had to be cut.

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
1/17/16 9:00 p.m.

In reply to patgizz:

That's quite the makeover. You do nice work.

Jerry From LA
Jerry From LA Dork
1/17/16 9:10 p.m.

What type of bit were you using to drill holes in the glass tiles for the doors and the shelf?

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
1/17/16 9:41 p.m.

In reply to Jerry From LA:

Not sure what he used (there are drill bits for glass), but I can usually hit the grout joints on small mosaics like that and just use a masonry drill.

When I do have to go through ceramic or glass tile, I take a nail set and chip the surface, then drill with a masonry bit.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
1/17/16 9:43 p.m.

In reply to patgizz:

Nice job!

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
1/17/16 10:01 p.m.

I am always a little amazed when I hear construction prices in other areas of the country. I would have had to do a job like that for less than half that price.

Things are sure different in different places!

Again, nice job!

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/18/16 10:25 a.m.

thanks paul!

years ago there was a black and decker outlet here. they had glass and tile drill bits for $2 in different sizes, so i bought literally all of them. i'm down to a few, but they work miracles. they sell similar shaped ones under the hitachi brand at lowes but they are trash. no pilot, no punch, just push it against the tile or glass and go. high speed, and for glass or really hard tiles i keep a cup of water and keep dipping the bit to cool it. i had to drill several holes through the glass tiles and one bit ran them all. for the shelves i aimed to hit stone because it's much easier to go through. i have diamond grit hole saws for things like pipes, but this time because of the mosaic that was not necessary, and for the toilet supply it fell close enough to a grout line to just notch the edge of the tile and have the chrome escutcheon cover it up.

here are the bits i use:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/BLACK-DECKER-3-16-in-x-2-1-4-in-Carbide-Glass-Tile-Drill-Bit-16901-S/100057381?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D25T-PowerTools%7c&gclid=CjwKEAiAt_K0BRCzjtv92_HGoR0SJAA9QNn_Q_fRkwareJIfUpcT8YQyeDvG-byItCtoDJU6coNlCBoCEnTw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

pricy, but when you consider how well they work and how long they last, well worth it.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/18/16 10:27 a.m.
SVreX wrote: I am always a little amazed when I hear construction prices in other areas of the country. I would have had to do a job like that for less than half that price. Things are sure different in different places! Again, nice job!

just think, if it was in NYC it would probably be 2x what it costs here...

it's definitely crazy how the materials cost the same everywhere, but the labor difference is huge.

Jerry From LA
Jerry From LA Dork
1/18/16 11:26 a.m.
patgizz wrote:
SVreX wrote: I am always a little amazed when I hear construction prices in other areas of the country. I would have had to do a job like that for less than half that price. Things are sure different in different places! Again, nice job!
just think, if it was in NYC it would probably be 2x what it costs here... it's definitely crazy how the materials cost the same everywhere, but the labor difference is huge.

In LA, there is a shortfall in everything from handymen to full-fledged specialists in all mechanical trades. Yes, if you go to the local big-box store, there are a lot of "moscas" hanging around. Most of these guys are trying to make more money off the books so it's the same labor pool. They're not cheap, either.

there is so much pressure on the housing market, properties in heretofore "undesirable" neighborhoods get flipped and sold very quickly. A good tradesman can earn a six-figure income but there's the problem of having to buy a house in an area that's 140,000 housing units short.

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