I was thinking of slapping my Skyline turbo into my ZX2 when i replace it in the 240. Has anyone charted that territory?
I was thinking of slapping my Skyline turbo into my ZX2 when i replace it in the 240. Has anyone charted that territory?
Turbo 3rd gen? Sure, lots of people. You can have fun with that. 
Yea. Spookin the E36 M3 out of bare bone muscle cars. Its a 98. Whos the best to get the manifold from? The downpipe, I'm sure will be best to fab. I see their pretty peppy without any other mods, but what about the internals? Any worries there?
N Sperlo wrote: Yea. Spookin the E36 M3 out of bare bone muscle cars. Its a 98. Whos the best to get the manifold from? The downpipe, I'm sure will be best to fab. I see their pretty peppy without any other mods, but what about the internals? Any worries there?
If it's like the old 1.9 SPI cars, you can use a 4g63 manifold.
Don't know how strong the internals are... could probably handle 225whp or so without much danger. All depends on the tune.
In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:
Found a whole write up on the Team Zx2 forums. Don't know if i should trust them non-GRMers.
Thanks, your info was helpful.
Why is this still not in readers rides? 
Don't have access to all the pics at work, i'll work on it this week.
But again... doesn't look like anything special right now. Just your standard red/pink/leprosy EGT lowered on some stock wheels, equipped with a 300k mile BP.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:N Sperlo wrote: Yea. Spookin the E36 M3 out of bare bone muscle cars. Its a 98. Whos the best to get the manifold from? The downpipe, I'm sure will be best to fab. I see their pretty peppy without any other mods, but what about the internals? Any worries there?If it's like the old 1.9 SPI cars, you can use a 4g63 manifold. Don't know how strong the internals are... could probably handle 225whp or so without much danger. All depends on the tune.
As I understood it, the stock manifold wont interchange from a 1.9 to the 2.0 DOHC in a ZX2, so would mitsu manifold still work?
Joey
I didn't catch that he had the zetec or whatever it was, so probably not. 
There is a ZETEC eBay turbo manifold as well.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:DILYSI Dave wrote: NICE! You gonna make it to Lincoln?Not this year. I'm just running local street tire events to sort out the suspension stuff before i mount some huge tires on it for next year. I'm planning on making it 2012, but that's ASSuming the car even works well. Justin proved to us that the chassis can work in FSP, but nobody knows what it'll do with it's newfound power, and even his setup was very basic. (Big tires, MS'd BP, AWR coilovers, big front sway) There's a chance i may have shot myself in the foot by going whole-hog on this, but i figured since the SM classes are usually a bit more insane, i'd be more likely to hurt my chances running stock arms and geometry anyways. And then there's the loose nut behind the wheel. If i can get 1st or second regionally in at least one or two events this year in SMS, then i'll definitely give it a run.You'd be one to ask.... besides hood/trunk, a/c and PS delete, rear seat removal, seats, and fuel cell... are there any other legal weight reduction mods? And would a tubular rear crossmember be considered legal? It's only purpose would be for small weight savings and correcting geometry. Would mount using stock attachement points. I'm also having problems interpreting the rules on sway bars. I can have a "speedway style" sway bar made, but wouldn't use the stock attachement points. SM rules seem pretty strict on using attachement points for suspension, suspension being defined as "anything that moves when the wheel is deflected upwards," but it also says that it allowed any mods in Stock, ST, and SP classes, and i'm pretty sure front sway bars are unrestricted.
RTFRB!
:)
As for lightening, anything you can change, you can change for something lighter. Engine, trans, F&R fascias, seats, fenders, hood, control arms, etc.
Rear crossmember = no, assuming it contains suspension attachments.
Speedway bar = do pretty much whatever you want. We inherit swaybar mounting from lower classes, and mounting is pretty unrestricted. Read the Stock / ST rules for limitations.
how did I miss this Ben lol
I'll give you 50 bucks and a reach arou.......well, maybe not that for the engine
NickF40 wrote: how did I miss this Ben lol I'll give you 50 bucks and a reach arou.......well, maybe not that
Which one? The K8, the BP, or the ZE? 
DILYSI Dave wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:RTFRB! :) As for lightening, anything you can change, you can change for something lighter. Engine, trans, F&R fascias, seats, fenders, hood, control arms, etc. Rear crossmember = no, assuming it contains suspension attachments. Speedway bar = do pretty much whatever you want. We inherit swaybar mounting from lower classes, and mounting is pretty unrestricted. Read the Stock / ST rules for limitations.DILYSI Dave wrote: NICE! You gonna make it to Lincoln?Not this year. I'm just running local street tire events to sort out the suspension stuff before i mount some huge tires on it for next year. I'm planning on making it 2012, but that's ASSuming the car even works well. Justin proved to us that the chassis can work in FSP, but nobody knows what it'll do with it's newfound power, and even his setup was very basic. (Big tires, MS'd BP, AWR coilovers, big front sway) There's a chance i may have shot myself in the foot by going whole-hog on this, but i figured since the SM classes are usually a bit more insane, i'd be more likely to hurt my chances running stock arms and geometry anyways. And then there's the loose nut behind the wheel. If i can get 1st or second regionally in at least one or two events this year in SMS, then i'll definitely give it a run.
Heh, those were the questions i had from the rulebook, i've got copies printed out at home, the garage, and my desk at work.
Looks like i'm doing pretty much everything for weight reduction short of exchanging fascia for the mazda GTX 3-hole fascia, which got veto'd by my girlfriend, and would limit my front splitter size anyways.
Yep, rear crossmember has suspension attachments. Bummer.
But my front crossmember is fine because it's necessary with the engine swap. Neat!
Well you know I don't need the K8, the BP would be nice but you know I want that ZE
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
Teambosscat sez now u hava insall all dis stuf.
Seriously, tho..good luck! I'm with everyone else..the control arms & links look great.
Front crossmember can't change either if it's got suspension points. It can be modified for engine fitment though. Or if it is changed via UDBD, that's cool too.
Keep an eye on fastracks as I've heard some stuff that pertains to this conversation should be out soon.
DILYSI Dave wrote: Front crossmember can't change either if it's got suspension points. It can be modified for engine fitment though. Or if it is changed via UDBD, that's cool too. Keep an eye on fastracks as I've heard some stuff that pertains to this conversation should be out soon.
It's got suspension points, driver's side control arms attach to it. I should clarify. I'm simply using the MX3 crossmember so i have a trans mount down there. Remove Escort crossmember, insert MX3 crossmember. No performance advantage of any kind through using that crossmember, other than the fact that my transmission doesn't drop out on course. Should be allowed through 16.1.P verbage:
"Motor and drivetrain mounts are considered part of these allowances, and any material is permitted. The allowances of 16.1.P may be used to affix brackets, but these brackets shall serve no purpose other than engine and drivetrain mounting......... Any minor modification, intended to allow or facilitate any allowed modification, is permitted as long as it does not provide any intrinsic performance benefit in and of itself, does not provide a weight reduction of more than 1lb, and is not explicitly prohibited elsewhere within these rules."
Thanks for the tip on fastracks, i need to start looking at those when they come out instead of 2 months later.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: I didn't catch that he had the zetec or whatever it was, so probably not.
Its the 2.0 Zetech. I was looking around scratching my head. I was looking at the writeups and not seeing that as a suggestion. Ill be searching today.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Should be allowed through 16.1.P verbage: "Motor and drivetrain mounts are considered part of these allowances, and any material is permitted. The allowances of 16.1.P may be used to affix brackets, but these brackets shall serve no purpose other than engine and drivetrain mounting......... Any minor modification, intended to allow or facilitate any allowed modification, is permitted as long as it does not provide any intrinsic performance benefit in and of itself, does not provide a weight reduction of more than 1lb, and is not explicitly prohibited elsewhere within these rules."
But a subframe swap isn't just a motor mount - especially if it contains pickup points, which are sacred. Which is why if it's an UDBD, it's an easy allowance, but if not, not so much. Now, if there's no geometry change, no weight change, etc., then I doubt anyone would care, but by a strict reading of the rules, it's not legal IMO.
Ummm, why did you steal my cat?
(That's Max and his weird eye from a run-in with wild animal of some sort who clawed it.) Awesome build, can't wait to see it all completed!
DILYSI Dave wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Should be allowed through 16.1.P verbage: "Motor and drivetrain mounts are considered part of these allowances, and any material is permitted. The allowances of 16.1.P may be used to affix brackets, but these brackets shall serve no purpose other than engine and drivetrain mounting......... Any minor modification, intended to allow or facilitate any allowed modification, is permitted as long as it does not provide any intrinsic performance benefit in and of itself, does not provide a weight reduction of more than 1lb, and is not explicitly prohibited elsewhere within these rules."But a subframe swap isn't just a motor mount - especially if it contains pickup points, which are sacred. Which is why if it's an UDBD, it's an easy allowance, but if not, not so much. Now, if there's no geometry change, no weight change, etc., then I doubt anyone would care, but by a strict reading of the rules, it's not legal IMO.
Color me stupid... but what does UDBD mean?
I think the second half of that is a bit more relevant. No weight savings (adds weight), and is identical to the EGT unit other than the mount. I can even bolt stock EGT arms up to it.
Hrm... i guess i could just cut off the mount from the MX3 xmember and weld it to the EGT xmember, but that seems.... dumb.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:DILYSI Dave wrote:Color me stupid... but what does UDBD mean? I think the second half of that is a bit more relevant. No weight savings (adds weight), and is identical to the EGT unit other than the mount. I can even bolt stock EGT arms up to it. Hrm... i guess i could just cut off the mount from the MX3 xmember and weld it to the EGT xmember, but that seems.... dumb.92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Should be allowed through 16.1.P verbage: "Motor and drivetrain mounts are considered part of these allowances, and any material is permitted. The allowances of 16.1.P may be used to affix brackets, but these brackets shall serve no purpose other than engine and drivetrain mounting......... Any minor modification, intended to allow or facilitate any allowed modification, is permitted as long as it does not provide any intrinsic performance benefit in and of itself, does not provide a weight reduction of more than 1lb, and is not explicitly prohibited elsewhere within these rules."But a subframe swap isn't just a motor mount - especially if it contains pickup points, which are sacred. Which is why if it's an UDBD, it's an easy allowance, but if not, not so much. Now, if there's no geometry change, no weight change, etc., then I doubt anyone would care, but by a strict reading of the rules, it's not legal IMO.
Update / Backdate. It's the allowance in SP that lets you swap parts between like models if they are on the same line in the SP Appendix A listing. What years and models are we dealing with here?
And yes - cutting the mount off of the one crossmember and welding it to eh other is the 100% legal way to do it.
DILYSI Dave wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Update / Backdate. It's the allowance in SP that lets you swap parts between like models if they are on the same line in the SP Appendix A listing. What years and models are we dealing with here? And yes - cutting the mount off of the one crossmember and welding it to eh other is the 100% legal way to do it.DILYSI Dave wrote:Color me stupid... but what does UDBD mean? I think the second half of that is a bit more relevant. No weight savings (adds weight), and is identical to the EGT unit other than the mount. I can even bolt stock EGT arms up to it. Hrm... i guess i could just cut off the mount from the MX3 xmember and weld it to the EGT xmember, but that seems.... dumb.92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Should be allowed through 16.1.P verbage: "Motor and drivetrain mounts are considered part of these allowances, and any material is permitted. The allowances of 16.1.P may be used to affix brackets, but these brackets shall serve no purpose other than engine and drivetrain mounting......... Any minor modification, intended to allow or facilitate any allowed modification, is permitted as long as it does not provide any intrinsic performance benefit in and of itself, does not provide a weight reduction of more than 1lb, and is not explicitly prohibited elsewhere within these rules."But a subframe swap isn't just a motor mount - especially if it contains pickup points, which are sacred. Which is why if it's an UDBD, it's an easy allowance, but if not, not so much. Now, if there's no geometry change, no weight change, etc., then I doubt anyone would care, but by a strict reading of the rules, it's not legal IMO.
Oh duh.
What i was wanting to do was take the transmission crossmember from a 1992 MX3 GS, and install it onto a 1993 Escort GT. Direct bolt in, all dimensions are identical in every way, the only difference is the mount, which is necessary due to the engine/transmission swap.
So the 100% legal way would be to cut the mount from the mx3 unit, and weld it to the egt unit, which gives you....... the MX3 unit. Just with a E36 M3tier than factory weld. 
I'll see if i can find what i'm looking for in that Appendix, thanks!
[EDIT]
I don't even see the MX-3 in Appendix A under SP.
Did a little searching and it looks like these are the Escort listings, all in FSP -
Escort, Escort GT, & Tracer (1991-96)
Escort, ZX2, & Tracer (1997-2002)
Escort, EXP, Lynx, & LN7 (1981-90)
There is no listing for the MX-3.
If you want, you could write the SEB and request that the MX-3 be classed in FSP on the same line as the one you are building. Cross-make's on the same line are rare, but not unheard of. Providing evidence to support your claim that they are the same car with different skin would help.
FWIW, $.02.
EDIT - just saw your response. If the MX3 unit is shared with any 91-96 Escort, EGT, or Tracer, then you're golden. Otherwise, you're up for a bit of welding or letter writing.
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