The Staff of Motorsport Marketing
The Staff of Motorsport Marketing Writer
8/23/23 8:49 a.m.

A certain mystique surrounds the V12 engine, as its mere mention conjures up some of the world’s most storied brands and achievements. So why not wrap it in one of the most iconic shapes ever unleashed, the Jaguar E-type?

The purists might open with talk of unnecessary complications, questionable reliability and those government-mandated big bumpers. We’ll counter that these 1971-’74 …

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frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/23/23 12:30 p.m.

The very affordable way to own any Jaguar is to DIY .  Avoid the dealer tax of 2x or even 3x normal costs.  Never buy parts from the dealer. First he won't have them and he will order it from the Jaguar specialty places. Moss Motors Welsch, etc.  I get a lot from Rock Auto.

 The dealer doesn't know anymore about the XKE  All of his trained mechanics have retired a long time ago.  
    Aftermarket shops charge the  same 2x-3x  or more than the dealer does because that's what people are willing to pay. 
 At least it's not the Ferrari 100x  ;-)

If a mechanic pulls out metric wrenches Run! The British taught us that 3 barley corns from the middle of the ear is 1 inch  and 12 of those make a foot. Jaguar fought  the French as long as it was British owned. Blame Ford for metric stuff. 

  The engine isn't  magic. It works exactly the same as any ICE.  Fuel - spark  -timing. Get those right it runs same as any engine.  
  The carbs are lawnmower simple.  Periodically ( 5-10 years) replace the rubber diaphragms.  Old men can do in 10 minutes.  Fiddle with the mixture/ linkage,  at your own peril. Once right? Rarely ever needs adjusting. Only  if starting from scratch should you pull out the manuals and learn how to make the right adjustments. 
    
      Engine ruined? Very hard to do. Impossibly strong!  Neglect is about all that will hurt it.
     However  It doesn't cost much for a good replacement.  $300-500 is the going rate. You'll need to swap the aluminum oil pan for the steel one from a sedan.  After 1974 Jaguar went to EFI   So manifolds will need swapping. The sedan and sports car are the same.  The engine from 1971-1978  is the same. After that the bellhousing pattern changed and if it's an automatic? It's a GM Turbo 400 with a Jaguar bolt  pattern .  Extremely durable. Every tranny shop can fix it.      After 1980 the compression went from 7.8-1  to 11.5 - 1  but no increase in power. 

    Don't try to do the rear brakes from under  the car.   Your hands or tools don't bend that way.  It takes a little over 45 minutes to drop the rear end. Then get it on a bench and it's easy pezy.  Buy the remote bleeder kit to make life simple.  
  Power Steering too sensitive?  Rob Beere makes a kit to deal with that. ( it's just a GM pump)   In fact Rob Beere Racing in England is your go to source for all the racy bits available. 
   I love those wire wheels.  Vintage Raced on them for decades without the need to do anything more than clean them  but they are easy to adjust.  Anything happens to them motor wheel settvice has them or if you want to change them, Dayton will make any size you want. 
Rust is Jaguars weakness but there is every new panel available in England. I Even heard of a guy here inAmerica who makes the same panels. ( makes sense most Jaguars came to America in the first place). 
      

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/23/23 1:44 p.m.

Nothing has been said about Jaguars Beauty .  Enzo Ferrari said it was the most beautiful car ever made. The view over that long hood ( bonnet)  is pure sec.   The series 3 is a little more brute than beauty.  Still wonderful though.  
  Rubber bumper guards?   Yuk!!   But  only after 1973. So the 71-72 look a lot better. Of course you could remove those, store them safely away ••••••. I won't tell.  
    The stock engine is very much limited by its original purpose ( luxury Sedans) 

  The cam shaft is designed to get 4000+ pounds moving. Not a little light sports car. Tiny little.375 lift and barely enough duration  for anything to happen. Remember, designed for the Queen.  
    Crower and Isky will both grind more power into your camshafts.  As much as 100 hp.   But it still sits there with a smooth idle at 600rpm  part of the beauty of a V12. 

Webers don't add much if anything although they look sexy.   The manifold is too short and the top of the carbs are too close to the bonnet ( see I speak British)  

     Same with headers.  Real headers absolutely fill that engine compartment radiating 1300 degree temps cooking everything.  And might, might, maybe  get you a few percent more horsepower at 5000+ RPM. The stock manifolds weigh only 4 pounds each and all that tubing will be much heavier.  But dont be fooled,  it was the fast car in a lot of races. 
     
  

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/24/23 7:08 p.m.

 There are a few wonderful bits that identify special series 3 

The first 50? Sets of Valve covers had the word  Jaguar cast right in them.    I've heard it took over 200 sets of castings To get 50 clean sets of letters out.   Even most of those had a lot of hand work.  Every set thereafter had a flat spot where the word Jaguar sat on a decal. 
      Jaguar also put the ignition module   originally in the Valley of death  where heat would cook it.  The ignition module  is a plastic case  that says Lucas over a regular GM ignition module  that cost $35 at Napa.   However Jaguar dealers would replace the whole module and charge as much as $ 1300.  for it.  
 Shortly afterwards Jaguar sent out  longer wording harness to mount it on the firewall.  
   Several Times when GM convinced Jaguar their module could deal with the heat, it was put back into the valley of death  and then removed away again. Sedans were worse regarding heat.    By the way , people tell me the  real GM module is better, longer lasting than the genetic replacements. 

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/24/23 10:29 p.m.

Some of the early manual transmission had the Dana 44 rear end equipped with the 3.54 ratio. By 1973 I believe most had the 3.31 ratio since the V12 had so much more torque  than the earlier 6 cylinder did.  They all were equipped with the positraction or limited slip. 
   Being longer and slightly wider the series 3 were heavier than the series one or two.  But remarkably the 5.3 liter V112 was 30 pounds lighter than the earlier 4.2 six cylinder. ( in spite of a crankshaft that weighed over 78 pounds) 

     The early carburetor models were a last minute lash up when the promised fuel injection wasn't ready.  It suffers from a long route to the valves that in order to make the engine run smooth at low speed picked up heat  off the water jackets to lift the fuel up and over the valve covers. ( carbs were below the intake valves) 

  When prepared for racing Group 44 and Huffaker racing both came up with a rerouting that didn't pick up that heat.   Considerable power was raised by both firms.   Huffaker was able to get the SCCA to accept SU carburators   in leu of the smaller Strombergs that Group 44 used. Both groups acknowledged the Huffaker engine was more powerful. While Group 44 had notably better handling and braking. 

wspohn
wspohn UltraDork
8/25/23 2:20 p.m.

I've never really liked the series 3 - the windscreen rake angle looks wrong compared to the early cars and the rear of the car became rather bulbous looking - they seem to have lost the thread from the beautiful lines of the early cars.

Was the switch to a 2+2 chassis necessitated by the new V12 engine swap or just to standardize production?  Personally I think they should have never done the 2+2 at all - they were messing with perfection!

lagunamike
lagunamike New Reader
8/25/23 3:03 p.m.

My only advice about buying anything with a Jaguar V-12 is DON'T!!! sad sad

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/25/23 8:21 p.m.

Clearly you've never been inside a V12?  That's too bad.  You would be impressed. As a racer I am.

  However if you rely on others to do your engine work, you are absolutely correct.  Those mechanics take one look and see it's a V12,  "Oh good, I can make both my mortgage payment and boat payment from this!"    I'll bet it's just the vacuum advance in the distributor. That's less than a 1/2 hour.  

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/25/23 10:11 p.m.
wspohn said:

I've never rely liked the series 3 - the windscreen rake angle looks wrong compared to the early cars and the rear of the car became rather bulbous looking - they seem to have lost the thread from the beautiful lines of the early cars.

Was the switch to a 2+2 chassis necessitated by the new V12 engine swap or just to standardize production?  Personally I think they should have never done the 2+2 at all - they were messing with perfection!

I've fit a V12 in the earlier chassis. But when they went to the V12 they also made brake and suspension  changes,. Plus used wider wheels and tires.  Hence  the fender flairs.  
    Yes, going to the 2+2 chassis length  they tried to use up left over chassis. ( they didn't sell as many 2+2 as they'd planned ) remember  Jaguar was an extremely low volume  company.  What Ford or Chevy put out in a week. Jaguar couldn't match in a year. 
     With the exchange rate between the pound and dollar they could have record sales ( for them) in a year and still lose money.  
  Back to the early series 1 versus the series 3. Looks wise I absolutely  agree with you.  In fact the series 2 wasn't as good as the first series.

  I've raced that in-line Six and with that long stroke (4.17 ). I was tired of running out of revs at 5500rpm. Pushing it to 6,000 .  A couple of times I braved it up to   6500 rpm terrified the stock crank would break or a stock rod let go. 
   The V12  crank and rods more bullet proof  than anything I've ever seen in a lifetime of racing.   
  Besides with such a short stroke.          ( 2.756 ) it's like a small block Chevy st 6000rpm when the V12 is doing 9000 rpm  

 

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/26/23 9:35 a.m.

At 5'9" I fit very well in the series one EType. 
 However taller ( longer waist)  would have difficulty fitting in.  If their legs managed to fit. Then their head might not  of if it was a roadster with the top down do it didn't matter, they might have to slouch to not have  the top of the windshield across their eye line. 
On the series 3 with the sloped windshield drivers could get back far enough so that wasn't a problem.  
      Early series 1 Jaguar XKE's had very uncomfortable seats.  Nice looking, sporty. But the back cut across the shoulder blades. 
   Later series 1's the seats improved and the most comfortable seats of all are on the series 3. 

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/26/23 1:30 p.m.

Jaguar had both a 4 speed manual gearbox.  And an automatic. The auto was a Borg Warner which is a tough, durable, transmission. Shifts slow between gear which tends to heat up the ATF.  Parts are rather hard to come by. 
  The. Manual gear box is Jaguar's old 4 speed.   Group 44 found the manual gear box from the 2+2 had better intermediate gears.   
     There is a tendency to switch from the 4 speed to a 5 speed with 5th gear being an overdrive.  America has plenty of strong 5&6 speed transmissions. And those can be easily converted or you can buy a  kit for over $5000 and then have someone do the change for you. 
     The less expensive way is to use the 1978 or newer engine which has the locating dowels shared with the Chevy small block.   Buy a suitable transmission,  use the Chevy Bellhousing.  Make a simple adaptor. By transferring locating holes and holes to match the Chevy and Jaguar   Only the locating holes are critical.  The block & bellhousing holes are easily transferred.  
  Takes a couple of easy hours  to make. If you can drill a hole in aluminum you can do it. 

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/26/23 5:04 p.m.

Never , never go to a Jaguar dealer for Parts.  For your XKE.  
 First they don't stock any.  So they will order from these sources and they will do their normal 3 times mark up. 
  Moss Motors.  Welsch Jaguars,  Bill Terry's Jaguars. ( my favorite place).  Rock Auto. 
    Don't hesitate to buy junkyard stuff.  Most cars are brought to the junkyards out of fear ( labor charges at dealerships assume your a recent lottery winner or a trust fund baby).  
not because they are actually junk.  That or buy rusty, not running Sedans  for mechanical parts. Typically they interchange.   

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/4/24 1:06 p.m.

Digging up an older thread.  No real reason for asking, just the usual day dreaming.

Q's on the auto.  It's 'a Borg Warner' unit is all that tends to be written.  What unit?  And can we assume that it's cheap and easy to rebuild?  Also are there upgrade kits to improve shift and drop down times?  What about tighter torque converters for a more linear response?

In my experience of old Jag (and many other) 4 speed manuals from the 60's leave me feeling that a good auto is no real downgrade given sufficient torque, and the auto's tend to have a price advantage both in Series II and III 2+2 cars.

wspohn
wspohn UltraDork
4/5/24 12:54 p.m.

I've owned several British cars with the BW 'Slushomatic' trans (Wolseley 6/99, Jag Mk 2, Jag Mk 9, and was never that impressed with them.  Best one I had was a Torqueflite American trans in a British Chrysler V8 powered vehicle (and they even screwed that up - there was no 'park' in the quadrant and the car had 4 wheel discs which meant that the parking brake wasn't all that effective even when properly maintained).

Performance could be significantly affected by the automatics as well.  A friend owned a series 3 coupe with the automatic and my admittedly somewhat modified MGC was about dead equal with him (I could see his eyes get bigger when he couldn't lose me at 130 mph on a newly opened highway)

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/5/24 4:50 p.m.

In reply to wspohn :

Thanks. I assumed they were as easy to mod and improve as US trans of the era.  I think you've talked me out of it even for a hypothetical purchase!

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