belteshazzar wrote: if your Rhys Millen impersonation isn't quite what it should be, and you tweak the rod that adjusts the toe in the back suspension, DON'T PANIC! GM does not have one, but you can always make your own replacement, or order one from another continent. not a deal breaker, per say, but relevant to me.
I'd live with that happening on a few parts on a $2000 or less car. Not on anything more than $5k.
belteshazzar wrote: if your Rhys Millen impersonation isn't quite what it should be, and you tweak the rod that adjusts the toe in the back suspension, DON'T PANIC! GM does not have one, but you can always make your own replacement, or order one from another continent. not a deal breaker, per say, but relevant to me.
This one? Or would a racing unit suit you better?
I mean really dude, this site pines over Miata's all damn day and have you ever tried to buy a Cam Angle Sensor for one of those? About $500 if you can find one! Every car has parts that are hard to get. Cone forbid you ever buy an AMC...
click on that kollar part like you're trying to actually buy it. There are zero available.
Javelin wrote:belteshazzar wrote: if your Rhys Millen impersonation isn't quite what it should be, and you tweak the rod that adjusts the toe in the back suspension, DON'T PANIC! GM does not have one, but you can always make your own replacement, or order one from another continent. not a deal breaker, per say, but relevant to me.This one? Or would a racing unit suit you better? I mean really dude, this site pines over Miata's all damn day and have you ever tried to buy a Cam Angle Sensor for one of those? About $500 *if* you can find one! Every car has parts that are hard to get. Cone forbid you ever buy an AMC...
I know you're still salty at the fact that a part used on a car for 3 years 20 years ago is a bit hard to find, but look at this objectively, here.
It's still easier to find every part you need for a 20 year old miata than it is for a 6 year old GTO.
And you explained exactly why earlier. And it's not that big of a deal. You either deal with it, or don't buy the car. I probably wouldn't let it stop me if i could get a 6.0 cheap enough. I'd still buy it. But it's fact that OEM replacement parts are just not going to be so easy to find. There's no argument necessary.
PS: The oem part in your links isn't available. Racing aftermarket stuff is cool, but not where this discussion started. 
(Yes, i'd just buy the racing stuff anyways because i prefer the "maintify" all my cars)
And copart, pick-a-pull, or GM direct won't have one?
Again, find me a 1,6 Miata CAS. Or a 944 front lower control arm. Or a Boxster IMS bearing. Or a...
GM direct doesn't either. i'm not keen on buying used suspension parts on my $10,000 car.
Seems to have pretty good parts availability to me (says the guy with a Triumph Spitfire and old Yamaha 2-stroke).
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: It's still easier to find every part you need for a 20 year old miata than it is for a 6 year old GTO.
And how many Miata's were sold here? How many other Mazda 1.6 engines?
And now how many GTO's?
Yeah, there's your answer. It can be any car example though. There's always something that's NLA. Have you not run into this with the Deathscort or Half-Track Celica? Fact is, unless you're building a Mustang, there will be something that's hard to get.
it isn't SOMETHING, it's ALMOST EVERYTHING. And it's not on some $1,500 toy found on craigslist, it's a 6 year old pontiac worth nearly five figures.
Javelin wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: It's still easier to find every part you need for a 20 year old miata than it is for a 6 year old GTO.And how many Miata's were sold here? How many other Mazda 1.6 engines? And now how many GTO's? Yeah, there's your answer. It can be *any* car example though. There's always *something* that's NLA. Have you not run into this with the Deathscort or Half-Track Celica? Fact is, unless you're building a Mustang, there will be something that's hard to get.
I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to argue with me about... I know what the answer is.
I agree with you.... which you'll see in the rest of the post that you didn't quote.
I think the only other car that the CAS for a 1.6 miata might interchange with would be the 323GT/GTX. Not many of those. So really, you're using a 20 year old part with a 3 year timespan as an example.
Again. I would expect there to be a couple parts hard to find on most cars, except i wouldn't have expected it to be hard to find maintenance parts on a relatively new car. (newer than anything i've got, at least) And yet again. I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker. I would still love to have a 6.0 GTO. I think they're awesome cars.
For the record: No. I didn't run into any of this with the Deathscort. Well, ok i did. When i went to Ford, who doesn't carry anything for this thing. Luckily, Mazda seems to be pretty good about continuing to carry parts for a 20 year old econobox. I quite honestly have not found ONE part that i needed that was NLA for this entire project.
The MX6 (maybe lower production numbers than the GTO, similar timespan), the only NLA that i've run into so far is the distributor o-ring seal.
Celica: passenger side mount? I think that's it.
You ninja-edited me again man
I can't reply with any sense if you change what you say before I'm done! 
belteshazzar wrote: it isn't SOMETHING, it's ALMOST EVERYTHING. And it's not on some $1,500 toy found on craigslist, it's a 6 year old pontiac worth nearly five figures.
What is the "almost everything" you keep saying??!? The only part you've said that I haven't been able to find an in-stock OEM part for in 10 seconds of googling has been the rear toe adjuster. That's ONE part, not all of them. Just CALL Pedders. I bet you 1 internet cookie they have everything for the suspension.
Javelin wrote: You ninja-edited me again man
Lol because you posted at the same time i was writing! STOP THAT!!!!
But end of it all is... i agree with you the "Why," but it doesn't change what the current situation is. And still... when i buy cars.... berkeley logic. I don't care. I buy what i want, what i like, and logic can go to hell.
When i'm ready for a GTO, i'll buy one, and i don't care if parts are available or not. I've got people that can make custom suspension parts for me, clearly.
If nothing else, at least this thread has introduced me to Pedders. Not sure if i was aware of their existence prior.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: But end of it all is... i agree with you the "Why," but it doesn't change what the current situation is. And still... when i buy cars.... berkeley logic. I don't care. I buy what i want, what i like, and logic can go to hell.
A-freaking-men my man!
If logic ruled I sure as hell wouldn't be restoring a 38-year-old AMC, driving a timing-belt time-bomb 227K mile Porsche, or even be autocrossing (really, we go to a parking lot to work for a day to drive for 3 minutes?)!
I'm gonna paint quote that on the wall of my future man-cave garage.
i've made my point
I still don't see how the parts availability of the GTO is that bad....
93EXCivic wrote: I still don't see how the parts availability of the GTO is that bad....
It's not THAT bad.... but it's not good compared to other cars of the same time frame.
Of course, i wouldn't expect cars like the Solstice/Sky to be any better, either.
Parts availability doesn't skeer me much. I've got other things to drive while I wait for the slow boat from AU. What's kooky is that I finally narrowed my next car search to "2003 M5, grey over black, best low mile example I can afford" and all of a sudden an '06 GTO w/ a Holden Monaro body trim swap is looking pretty great...
The parts availability on the GTO is indeed awful. A coworker of mine bought a 2006 with 12 k miles on it 2 years ago, still under warranty. He had a little piece in the door track fail, its completely unavailable from anywhere. Now his drivers side door window on his $25k, 19,000 mile car doesnt work. GM can't/wont fix it. No parts are available anywhere. I found 3 doors for him, every one was either missing this piece or it was bad, same as his.
Either way, I love my Corvette. Better performance. Better parts availability. Better resale, Better everything. If I needed a rear seat, I would get a Terminator Mustang or a F body before i even considered a GTO just based on parts availability and support.
It's all moot anyway because the G8 GT chassis components probably are the exact same parts. Then there is the 2011 Impala .
It is the same chassis
I think its critically important that people who don't want to buy a GTO due to parts availability shouldn't buy one. It seems very very important, and I thought I should emphasize the point. Sometimes its hard to find parts. If that irritates you, don't buy that car. (rolls eyes)
Yeah that's what I based buying my 73 Capri, 81 Alfa GTV6, Triumph Stag/s, 65 MCI MC5, 97 Range Rover Vitesse and so on for.....
Just because
aussiesmg wrote: It's all moot anyway because the G8 GT chassis components probably are the exact same parts. Then there is the 2011 Impala . It is the same chassis
sadly not. it actually has more in common with the catera chassis.
the car should be at the height of it's parts availability. virtually all of them are still worth fixing, and they're just getting old enough that it's reasonable to believe it might actually need something. so either it's going to completely buck the trend, or become an even bigger mistake over time.
the only reason i'm making a big deal about it is because i like the car, a lot. but the entry price isn't low enough to justify the potential headache.
Javelin wrote: Also, because of our weak dollar, it's super cheap to buy and ship in from Ozzieland. (I've purchased non-car goods from Australia 3 times in the past year as it was cheaper than in the States, even after shipping).
While I don't have another explination for the cost of your car parts, that is most certainly not how having a weak dollar works.
Oh and I think the GTO is pretty sweet. If it pushes your buttons, buy it!
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