ultraclyde (Forum Supporter)
ultraclyde (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/29/20 12:21 p.m.

1973 International COE Medium Duty Truck... Anybody know anything about these? Engine, drivetrain, etc? What's the likelihood of making this old soldier run if it RWP?

java230
java230 UberDork
5/29/20 12:25 p.m.

Had one as a company dump truck. 86, but same cab.  Parts are hard. They were parts bin trucks, so finding what yours is built with is entertaining. Ride is poop, cab is small, but fun still. Ours was pretty short WB which made it swap ends REALLY fast when it was wet out and the rear brakes locked up (all the time empty).

Check the gutter/roof connection carefully. Ours was almost a convertible. It went away unfortunately, steering went out. Coudln't easily find parts and it was rusty.

ultraclyde (Forum Supporter)
ultraclyde (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/29/20 12:31 p.m.

hmm. For $350 it seems like you could do something cool with it. It calls to me in an oversized Jeep FC kind of way.

java230
java230 UberDork
5/29/20 12:36 p.m.

In reply to ultraclyde (Forum Supporter) :

Most definitely would be fun!!

 

They are pretty damn simple too.

ultraclyde (Forum Supporter)
ultraclyde (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/29/20 12:51 p.m.

I figured it had to be. Seems getting a COE body down over a donor pickup frame and drive train would be hard to do. or down over any frame, even the stock one for that matter. Plus hooking up COE steering controls to a diferent chassis seems...dicey.

I'm assuming they were all diesel motors? VIN tag in the ad has HP rating at 3600RPM...

Maybe a Mad Max Fury Road build? Mid mounted big block driving the rear wheels?

 

 

68TR250
68TR250 Reader
5/29/20 12:52 p.m.

Stacey David on Gearz did one awhile back.  Put a Duramax diesel and an Allison trans in it.

https://staceydavid.com/projects/heavy-metal

spitfirebill
spitfirebill MegaDork
5/29/20 12:52 p.m.

Check the frame.  It looks pretty rusty.  Truck salvage yards should have plenty for used parts.  New parts may be problematic.  

ultraclyde (Forum Supporter)
ultraclyde (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
5/29/20 1:03 p.m.
68TR250 said:

Stacey David on Gearz did one awhile back.  Put a Duramax diesel and an Allison trans in it.

https://staceydavid.com/projects/heavy-metal

Wow that's cool. If I had that kind of talent, time, and backing....Eh, I probably still wouldn't be doing E36 M3.

 

java230
java230 UberDork
5/29/20 1:29 p.m.

In reply to ultraclyde (Forum Supporter) :

Gas, ours was a 345. Two speed rear end helped, a little....

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia Dork
5/29/20 1:56 p.m.

would it work better to put a modern Japanese cabover chassis under it ?

turbo diesel etc

TurnerX19
TurnerX19 Dork
5/29/20 3:22 p.m.

Sure looks like Mazdadueceseth's "Ferdinand". Good chance it is a gas engine, his is.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
5/29/20 3:32 p.m.

It's 99% one of the gas engines from the period. It's all basic medium duty/school bus parts from the era aside from the brakes which are a bit wonky in their master arrangement. Simple, though everything is very heavy and made of of lot of metal. 

68TR250
68TR250 Reader
5/29/20 4:45 p.m.

In reply to ultraclyde (Forum Supporter) :

Understood, on the talent and backing. I have the time but none of the other so it would end up in thousand pieces and get stalled.

mad_machine (Forum Supporter)
mad_machine (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/29/20 7:43 p.m.

I wonder if you could drop the cab over an isuzu chassis?

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
5/29/20 8:26 p.m.

The hitch with just dropping the cab on another chassis is that everything in the cab has to hinge to allow the cab to tilt up. All the controls, brakes, steering, all of it. None is super complicated but it does need to hinge on the same plane so it doesn't bind. 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/30/20 6:33 a.m.

If its gas, it's likely the IH 345.  If its diesel, likely an early IH diesel.  In 74 they started getting the KTA Cummins

Found this on a googles for possible engines:

Depending upon the model number of your Cargostar, the engine could be any IH engine from a V-345 up to a V-549 or one of the RD series 6 cylinders, or a DV-550 or a Detroit 6V53 or possibly a few others.

noddaz
noddaz GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
5/30/20 7:54 a.m.

Looks like ramp truck material.

djsilver (Forum Supporter)
djsilver (Forum Supporter) Reader
5/30/20 10:30 a.m.

Back then IH would shop for parts in batches to get the best deal, so the trucks wouldn't be identical through a model year run.  The trucks would have a "build card" glued to the top of the driver's sun visor to list what engine/clutch/transmission/axles/brakes were installed.  If you bought a truck without the build card, you'd have to take parts in to the IH dealership and match them up.

java230
java230 UberDork
5/30/20 11:34 a.m.

In reply to djsilver (Forum Supporter) :

Yep! The line sheet is worth a fortune if it's with the truck laugh​​​​​

 

Luckily with Google parts are pretty easy to identify these days. Assuming you can find the part number stamped under the grime from the self de rusting IH Power plant 

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