Phillip
Phillip GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/17/17 12:26 p.m.

I got a call last night from my wife. She was a couple miles from home and the car (2012 BMW 128i w/ 38k miles) was running rough and the service engine light came on. CPO car so I had it towed to dealer. Diagnosis: all 6 coil packs failed. New packs and plugs installed. This seems fishy. What would cause all six to fail? What could the real root cause be?

Thanks!

eastsidemav
eastsidemav SuperDork
1/17/17 12:27 p.m.

First guess is only one coil pack was bad, and the "standard" procedure is to replace them all.

02Pilot
02Pilot Dork
1/17/17 12:31 p.m.

If there's a common ground I'd be looking at that.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy PowerDork
1/17/17 12:32 p.m.

It likely needed only one coil, but lots of places really prefer to do all at once. Thinking is this- one failed, the others are the same age.

Or, If they are hard to get at, the labor might piss you off to do it twice.

Or, they are known trouble AND hard to get at, like the early COP Nissans.

Or, its a BMW, you must have lots of cash to throw away.

Phillip
Phillip GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/17/17 12:36 p.m.

In reply to Streetwiseguy:

CPO, so only $50. But my time is valuable.

NEALSMO
NEALSMO UltraDork
1/17/17 12:58 p.m.

Standard operating procedure. One coil fails, can only assume the other 5 are close behind.

This plays right in to "my time is valuable". Do you want to take the car in 5 more times?

I've had customers do the one coil at a time scenario. Great money for me. I get to charge them $120 diagnostic each time and $120 to replace each coil vs one time diagnostic fee and one charge for replacing all coils.

Oh, the root cause? BMW/MINI and AUDI/VW can't source a quality coil to save their lives. The latest batch is from Delphi. Time will tell if they are any better than the Bosch and Behru they have been using.

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/17/17 1:01 p.m.

If it's on their dime, I'd have them replace them all. Although the good news is that it shouldn't be awful on a straight 6.

PMRacing
PMRacing GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/17/17 3:14 p.m.

Like you guys said, SOP. TSB for updated parts. Since it is a CPO, all were replaced with updated parts under warranty. Thanks for all the replies!

red_stapler
red_stapler Dork
1/17/17 3:44 p.m.
NEALSMO wrote: AUDI/VW can't source a quality coil to save their lives.

The Eldor ones from the Audi R8 seem to work pretty well.

/threadjack

mazdeuce
mazdeuce UltimaDork
1/17/17 3:51 p.m.

Depending on the shop, they're also doing things by the book and if the book says replace all six then all six get replaced. Modern cars diagnose themselves pretty well and the solution is generally just parts swapping.

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