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aussiesmg
aussiesmg UltimaDork
4/4/13 9:43 p.m.

We might be getting it

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/03/2015-ford-mustang-4-cylinder-turbo-confirmed-for-u-s.html

Earlier reports that the 2015 Ford Mustang will get a turbocharged 4-cylinder EcoBoost exclusively for the European market have turned out to be false. That turbo 4-banger is headed to America too.

When the 2015 Ford Mustang hits American dealerships, it’ll be offered with a 2.3-liter, turbocharged four-cylinder engine as an option – and chances are, that won’t be the base model engine. The American automaker has shown throughout its lineup that its EcoBoost engines are a premium upgrade and will continue to do so with its sports car.

SEE ALSO: 2015 Mustang Rendered into Reality

As we speculated earlier, the 2.3-liter EcoBoost that will show up in the 2015 ‘Stang will be a larger variant of the 2.0-liter currently found in the Focus ST. But with its larger displacement, it’s expected to push out over 300 hp. Considering that the current base engine 3.7-liter V6 has 305 hp, the EcoBoost offering should improve on that number. Of course, true Mustang enthusiasts will continue to embrace the top-of-the-line V8.

pres589
pres589 SuperDork
4/4/13 9:48 p.m.

If they can somehow get the beltline towards the ground and improve visibility from inside the car, this sounds right up my street.

nepa03focus
nepa03focus New Reader
4/4/13 10:11 p.m.

Needs an offset hood scoop and svo badges lol

bdutro
bdutro New Reader
4/4/13 10:17 p.m.

Needs to lose ~500 lbs and the retro cues!

And yes, some nods to the SVO would be appropriate. I want a 135i killer!

Enyar
Enyar HalfDork
4/4/13 10:24 p.m.

SVO!!!!!

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UltimaDork
4/4/13 10:34 p.m.

A turbo 4. I can back that up. Hope we see it. I also hope the turbo holds up better than the SVO's.

belteshazzar
belteshazzar UberDork
4/4/13 10:45 p.m.

yes. instead of a stock longblock that can easily manage twice it's original output, this time we want it built for three times the power it comes with!

or else!

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy Dork
4/4/13 11:08 p.m.
N Sperlo wrote: A turbo 4. I can back that up. Hope we see it. I also hope the turbo holds up better than the SVO's.

the turbo 2.3 in my old fox-bodied Capri (1980) was pre EFI, I managed a tick over 165 hp using a Racer Walsh adjustanle boost kit

bdutro
bdutro New Reader
4/4/13 11:18 p.m.

In reply to N Sperlo:

Ain't no thing wrong with the 2.3 Lima or the T3s they hung off them. Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?

ddavidv
ddavidv PowerDork
4/5/13 5:44 a.m.

It will all depend on price. The SVO was a pretty colossal failure because it cost as much or more than a 5.0 V8 version. Didn't matter that it was a better car in many ways. People think Mustang and they think V8. I predict it will be a tough sell unless priced far less than the other options.

SyntheticBlinkerFluid
SyntheticBlinkerFluid UberDork
4/5/13 6:24 a.m.

If the 4-cyl is going to have 300 hp, does this mean they are going to drop the V6?

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/5/13 6:52 a.m.

For those of us that actually had to live with 4 cylinder mustangs in the 70's and 80' hearing 4 cylinders and mustang in the same sentence makes you shake with fear and you suddenly have this urge to run away screaming into the darkness of automotive hell.

The marketing people are going to need to put it in over drive if this is to sell to a large segment of mustang owners that had to live through this very dark period of mustang history.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UltimaDork
4/5/13 6:57 a.m.
bdutro wrote: In reply to N Sperlo: Ain't no thing wrong with the 2.3 Lima or the T3s they hung off them. Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?

My father was a Ford mechanic at the time. I have a Lima Ranger, but I've heard the stock turbo horror stories. May have been abuse from the peoples who don't oil properly.

pres589
pres589 SuperDork
4/5/13 7:16 a.m.

In reply to dean1484:

I'd think a series of good commercials showing this thing walk away from cars like the BR-Z, Genesis Coupe, and other such cars will go a long way with consumers. Take it to different tracks and show it walking away from the competition. Remake the chase from Bullit only this time the baddies drive, say, the BMW 1M and the Mustang somehow "wins". Stuff like that.

If Ford can keep the weight down and do a better job with things like sight lines out of the car than the current Mustang, I have a lot of faith that they can offer a great turbo-4 Mustang.

HappyAndy
HappyAndy Dork
4/5/13 7:25 a.m.

I have a hard time seeing this as a successful project, unless FoMoCo figures out how to make it substantially lighter than the V6/V8 cars.

Perhaps a modern SVO with lots of aluminium and CF, and priced well below the Shelby. I can't see that combination of parts and price coming together.

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UltraDork
4/5/13 7:25 a.m.

They need to redo the interior ergo for me. I was really interested in a new 3.7 V6 6-spd mustang. Drove great. I wouldn't sit in the passenger seat more than about 10 minutes before going crazy.

crankwalk
crankwalk GRM+ Memberand Reader
4/5/13 7:48 a.m.
ddavidv wrote: It will all depend on price. The SVO was a pretty colossal failure because it cost as much or more than a 5.0 V8 version. Didn't matter that it was a better car in many ways. People think Mustang and they think V8. I predict it will be a tough sell unless priced far less than the other options.

I agree. I love SVO's but they seem to be more loved now than when they came out.

SilverFleet
SilverFleet Dork
4/5/13 8:07 a.m.

Well, I REALLY liked the 2011 GT I drove, so if it's anything like that and gets better fuel economy... well... I may have to check one out. If they price it in the low $20k's with this motor, I might have to take one for a spin.

Gearheadotaku
Gearheadotaku GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
4/5/13 8:55 a.m.

If the V6 continues with 305hp, I'd rather have that over a 340hp turbo 4 for example. Even more so if the 4 was a higher price. Lets hope they continue to offer the suspension upgrade pkg for all models.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UltraDork
4/5/13 9:06 a.m.
HappyAndy wrote: I have a hard time seeing this as a successful project, unless FoMoCo figures out how to make it substantially lighter than the V6/V8 cars.

I believe the plan is to make it substantially lighter than the current design. Not sure how much the weight will differ between engines on the new model, though.

Conquest351
Conquest351 SuperDork
4/5/13 9:27 a.m.

I worked at Motion Dynamics for 5+ years. If you had an SVO from 1997 - 2007 then you probably ordered something from the shop. We built the 2.3's up to 2.5's and 2.7's. We built a 2.7 for a guy in a 1988 Turbo Coupe that put down 650 RWHP using an Esslinger aluminum head that we ported and a T3/T04S turbo.

Anyway, here's what Ford needs to do to reintroduce the SVO...

  • Brembo's stock
  • IRS
  • Koni adjustable struts
  • Strut tower brace front and rear
  • FMIC
  • Offset scoop as mentioned, even if it's a NACA duct
  • Square foglights
  • Pedistal spoiler... Not 100% sure how I'd go about that yet though. Put a pin in this one.
  • Motorsport suspension factory installed
  • Wider stance from the GT500

Sure all this crap would drive up the cost, but if you make it comparable to a Premium GT, less than a Boss 302.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter UberDork
4/5/13 9:38 a.m.
Conquest351 wrote: - IRS

IRS is all but officially confirmed for the new chassis.

Vigo
Vigo UltraDork
4/5/13 10:12 a.m.
Lets hope they continue to offer the suspension upgrade pkg for all models.

Thats the least controversial good idea in this whole thread. Hear Hear!

kreb
kreb GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/5/13 11:05 a.m.

I never thought that the eco-boost F series pickups would be successful, yet they are. I think that the turbo-diesels did a lot to make people accept the idea of durable turbocharging. Probably by the time these come out, eco-boost will long since have gained acceptance - but not necessarily preference. Personally, I prefer a lightweight NA V6 to a turbo 4. The turbo 4 will give slightly better light throttle mpg, better peak torque numbers and marginally lower overall weight, but the advantages aren't enough to me to warrant the additional complexity and potential long term reliability defecit.

Nashco
Nashco UberDork
4/5/13 11:37 a.m.
aussiesmg wrote: When the 2015 Ford Mustang hits American dealerships, it’ll be offered with a 2.3-liter, turbocharged four-cylinder engine as an option – and chances are, that won’t be the base model engine.

Am I the only one that read that and thought, "OH NO, not another 2.3 naturally aspirated turd of a Mustang!!!" Dark times, those were...

Bryce

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