The newest generation of Mustang seems to have surpassed the meathead philosophy that everyone appears to associate with the brand. The 2015 Mustang GT sports a 5.0-liter V8, naturally. Not a whole lot new there, though it does churn out a good 435 horsepower these days. The handling and overall feel of the car has become much more sophisticated.
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Not a whole lot new? Its all new.
I read "not a whole lot new," meaning the formula of 5.0 NA V8 being tried and true.
In reply to Mitchell:
That is indeed how it was meant.
Don't have the $30K for a new GT but I'll take a new Coyote for my '05 S197... and howl my ass off.
In reply to Ed Higginbotham:
Okay, sorry.
I really really want a new Base GT 5.0 with Track Pack and Recaros in that Guard Green.
You can keep your power moonroofs and navigation units and whatever else the Premium models have. 
Mmmmmm
fasted58 wrote: Don't have the $30K for a new GT but I'll take a new Coyote for my '05 S197... and howl my ass off.
Troof.
xflowgolf wrote: I really really want a new Base GT 5.0 with Track Pack and Recaros in that Guard Green. You can keep your power moonroofs and navigation units and whatever else the Premium models have.
I agree. I love the styling and the IRS. As much as I want to really want one I can't get over the curb weight; 3,800 lbs is 1000 lbs more than my '65 fastback. That just blows my mind.
Well you're 100lbs high, but it's still way up there.
That's 1000lbs more than my BRZ. Of course it's also got over twice the HP.
z31maniac wrote: Well you're 100lbs high, but it's still way up there. That's 1000lbs more than my BRZ. Of course it's also got over twice the HP.
I've seen various numbers. The interesting thing is the FR-S or BRZ is probably a lot closer to my old Mustang in curb weight, size and power levels (I had a 289 without major mods). A 7/8th scale version of the new Mustang would be about right for me.
I bought a '16 GT PP last month. My first V8 in 20-odd cars. My only regret in not getting the Premium is that the base stereo is really bad. Upgrading to the premium setup is looking like $1000+, and swapping in something aftermarket isn't promising at this point either. So now I need to buy an exhaust so I can hear that and not worry about the crappy radio.
Imagine how great it would perform and how fuel efficient it might be if it weighed 500 pounds less.
In reply to boileralum: Are you sure you can't buy good aftermarket speakers for around $400?
boileralum wrote: I bought a '16 GT PP last month. My first V8 in 20-odd cars. My only regret in not getting the Premium is that the base stereo is really bad. Upgrading to the premium setup is looking like $1000+, and swapping in something aftermarket isn't promising at this point either. So now I need to buy an exhaust so I can hear that and not worry about the crappy radio.
Interesting thought... didn't think about the stereo. The Recaros negate the availability of heated seats which is the only other "luxury" typical premium option I'd want. I have no desire for power moonroof, and any phone does nav, and I even dislike most auto-HVAC systems, but having a hamstrung audio package does kind of suck.
It's not like 20 years ago when everything came with a din sized radio slot and your options were wide open on high end aftermarket. Getting something properly integrated and aesthetically pleasing can be a challenge on new cars.
I wonder if you'll start seeing take-out upgraded head units that'll be plug and play upgrades from a premium version that work with steering wheel buttons and the like? ...or a clean aftermarket integration option?
Jerry From LA wrote: Imagine how great it would perform and how fuel efficient it might be if it weighed 500 pounds less.
You can say this for 98% of new vehicles though.
It's just the world we live in.
I was just disappointed when the new Mustang, with more power, less weight, bigger brakes and a newer chassis than the Camaro (A 5 year old design) got it's tail handed to it. And the Mustang cost $5000 more to boot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTJPDurLEKw&list=PLA97180860447EE6A&index=13
You can buy a new Mustang GT for half the price on the used market, it's called the Pontiac GTO. Seriously. If I blindfolded you and had you drive both cars back-to-back, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. They even sound the same. I test drove a 15 5.0 GT with the Brembos/Recaros/Track Pack in blue (which is exactly how I would order it) and came away cold. It didn't feel new or special at all (keep in mind I've driven, raced, and owned dozens of Mustangs). Looks like all the buff books are saying the same thing with the 16 Camaro, that it's just a better car all the way around.
In reply to NickD:
I have to admit, that is surprising. I was all ready to dismiss the comparison until they enlisted Randy Probst to do the track work, which definitely adds a good deal of validity to the track times.
And the new Camaro will be smaller and lighter. 
While there's plenty to be concerned about in the world right now, as a car enthusiast these are great times.
Ian F wrote: In reply to NickD: I have to admit, that is surprising. I was all ready to dismiss the comparison until they enlisted Randy Probst to do the track work, which definitely adds a good deal of validity to the track times. And the new Camaro will be smaller and lighter.
The new Camaro SS is confirmed as running 12.4 second quarter miles. In stock trim!
In reply to NickD:
In the video, the Mustang was faster in the 1/4 mile.
In reply to bravenrace:
True. But that 0.1th is almost negligible. Run-to-run variation could make that evaporate, especially with stick cars.
My dad bought one a few months ago and stock it was meh with him driving. Now that he went and put on the FRPP supercharger and programmer along with exhaust and the upgraded axles... He loves the 670hp it now has.... In spades. Lol.
Btw, he paid 28k for a base base basic GT.
Yeah, just sayin. I didn't look it up, but wonder what tires each runs. Seems like the Mustang could be improved with shocks and tires. But the cheap interior in the Camaro can't as easily be upgraded. Nor can it's looks, which while subjective, don't compare in my opinion.
In reply to bravenrace:
Camaro: 285/35ZR20 Goodyear® Eagle® F1 Supercar® Generation 2 performance summer tires, front and rear.
Mustang: 255/40R19 (F) 275/40R19(R) summer-only tires (brand not listed).
(copied from the respective website specs)
So the Camaro definitely has more tire. Much more than the minimal weight difference and would probably account for the better turn-in mentioned in the video.
bravenrace wrote: Yeah, just sayin. I didn't look it up, but wonder what tires each runs. Seems like the Mustang could be improved with shocks and tires. But the cheap interior in the Camaro can't as easily be upgraded. Nor can it's looks, which while subjective, don't compare in my opinion.
I've never found the Camaro interior that appalling, but my standards for vehicle interiors is pretty low, and the styling is conservative but decent (I prefer the '14-'15's more squinty grille). And I prefer the LS motor just for how much easier it is to work on than Ford's DOHC 32V bundle-of-snakes thingy. My only real beef with the Camaro is the terrible outward visibility (I'm 6'3").
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