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bravenrace
bravenrace UltimaDork
12/10/13 1:05 p.m.

In reply to AverageH:

Actually I googled "sn95 fake scoop".

T.J.
T.J. PowerDork
12/10/13 1:20 p.m.

The profile view really emphasizes the high beltline/tiny greenhouse look that is common these days. Not sure if it is styling, rash-worthiness, or to meet consumer demand, or something else, but I don't like it. That and the strange rear overhang is about all I can complain about, so that means it must be a good looking Mustang.

AverageH
AverageH Reader
12/10/13 1:20 p.m.

Here: Mustang done right.

http://www.petrolicious.com/mustang-is-loud-fast-art

Gotta love Petrolicious.

-Hamid

PHeller
PHeller UberDork
12/10/13 2:54 p.m.

high belt lines are needed for side impact crash standards, unfortunately.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
12/10/13 3:43 p.m.

In reply to AverageH:

Thank You for posting that link, amazing car

yamaha
yamaha PowerDork
12/10/13 3:53 p.m.

In reply to bravenrace:

IDK for sure, but as it went to $240k though.....so I assume it was real. It could have been a gt350 originally and then added upon though....

Zeitgeist
Zeitgeist New Reader
12/10/13 10:14 p.m.
PHeller wrote: high belt lines are needed for side impact crash standards, unfortunately.

Maybe higher beltlines are needed for crash standards but not overly high. The Subaru Impreza has a open airy greenhouse and not an overly high beltline and it meets crash standards if not maybe 5 star rating.

AverageH
AverageH Reader
12/11/13 2:18 a.m.

In reply to Zeitgeist: True! What about a Lotus Elise, Miata, etc.? They have awfully low hoods and doors compared to other cars. I don't follow the regs but it's a good question. How much of it is styling I wonder?

-Hamid

bravenrace
bravenrace UltimaDork
12/11/13 7:16 a.m.

In reply to yamaha:

When was that? Real R models go for a lot more than that now.

bravenrace
bravenrace UltimaDork
12/11/13 7:18 a.m.

In reply to AverageH:

Second gen Camaros and Firebirds have high belt lines and low visibility. I'm not at all defending the trend, just pointing out that it's nothing new.

bravenrace
bravenrace UltimaDork
12/11/13 7:20 a.m.

In reply to AverageH:

The Elise is mid-engined, and the Miata is a small four. The Mustang on the other hand has to be designed for a twin overhead cam V-8. The Corvette would be a better comparison, and I would guess that the big difference there is pushrod vs overhead cam engines.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson PowerDork
12/11/13 7:23 a.m.
Zeitgeist wrote:
PHeller wrote: high belt lines are needed for side impact crash standards, unfortunately.
Maybe higher beltlines are needed for crash standards but not overly high. The Subaru Impreza has a open airy greenhouse and not an overly high beltline and it meets crash standards if not maybe 5 star rating.

But it's a taller car so the belt line maybe the same height with more glazing above it.

Ian F
Ian F UltimaDork
12/11/13 7:23 a.m.
AverageH wrote: In reply to Zeitgeist: True! What about a Lotus Elise, Miata, etc.? They have awfully low hoods and doors compared to other cars. I don't follow the regs but it's a good question. How much of it is styling I wonder? -Hamid

The Lotus Elise was granted an exemption for safety due to the number of cars sold. There was a sticker on new cars that basically stated they didn't meet Federal safety requirements (I work near a Lotus dealer, so I drooled over cars in the lot often). It's one reason why a 5 mph accident often totals the car.

The belt-line of the current MX-5 is not low at all.

What is your point here?

mazdeuce
mazdeuce SuperDork
12/11/13 8:19 a.m.

Some of it must be styling. Look at the difference in hood height between the Camaro and the Corvette. The whole engine is a bit lower in the Corvette, but not THAT much lower.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson PowerDork
12/11/13 8:36 a.m.
mazdeuce wrote: Some of it must be styling. Look at the difference in hood height between the Camaro and the Corvette. The whole engine is a bit lower in the Corvette, but not THAT much lower.

Also strut Vs SLA front suspension

yamaha
yamaha PowerDork
12/11/13 9:52 a.m.
bravenrace wrote: In reply to yamaha: When was that? Real R models go for a lot more than that now.

6 years ago.......I had a choice of what to drive, a '66 hertz or the one I did. I was thrilled with my decision.

bravenrace
bravenrace UltimaDork
12/11/13 10:01 a.m.

In reply to yamaha:

No doubt.

yamaha
yamaha PowerDork
12/11/13 10:26 a.m.

In reply to bravenrace:

The guy who took the Hertz seemed disappointed when the white/blue monster came to life next to him too.....

bravenrace
bravenrace UltimaDork
12/11/13 11:04 a.m.

In reply to yamaha:

Kind of like "the only problem with the new V-6 Mustang is that there is a V-8 mustang" thing..

AverageH
AverageH Reader
12/11/13 11:05 a.m.
Ian F wrote:
AverageH wrote: In reply to Zeitgeist: True! What about a Lotus Elise, Miata, etc.? They have awfully low hoods and doors compared to other cars. I don't follow the regs but it's a good question. How much of it is styling I wonder? -Hamid
The Lotus Elise was granted an exemption for safety due to the number of cars sold. There was a sticker on new cars that basically stated they didn't meet Federal safety requirements (I work near a Lotus dealer, so I drooled over cars in the lot often). It's one reason why a 5 mph accident often totals the car. The belt-line of the current MX-5 is not low at all. What is your point here?

There wasn't a point, just a question. I honestly don't understand how the regs work, and you guys answered my question. Thanks!

And yes, the current miata does have a higher beltiline; not as high as other cars but I didn't factor in the engine size.

-Hamid

yamaha
yamaha PowerDork
12/11/13 11:35 a.m.

In reply to bravenrace:

I've had good luck with mustangs at mecum......a one owner '67 Lime gold gt500, the white/blue gt350(r?), a '69 boss 429, the Knight rider remake hero car, and numerous other shelby's, restomods, protouring, etc....Some of the weird stuff ends up being my favorite though......2 years ago the first car on a tuesday won me over, damn white/red MGA.

I make sure I have the hoodpins put back in every car I'm driving......because given the opportunity, I like to let them stretch their legs a bit.

bravenrace
bravenrace UltimaDork
12/11/13 11:42 a.m.

How is it that you get to drive them? And are you talking about the Indy Mecum auction? I'm thinking about going to that one next year. My wife wants a classic wagon.

yamaha
yamaha PowerDork
12/11/13 11:59 a.m.

In reply to bravenrace:

Yea, I take a weeks vacation from work each year and drive stuff. I got tied into a local corvette club that does it to raise money for local charities.

Normally there are a few vintage wagons there too.....just have to cut through the Signal to Noise ratio of all the damn 67-69 Camaro's. I hate those cars now. Still love their poncho counterparts though. I drove one of Cutter's former cars through there last year too.

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