2016 Camaro

The 2016 Camaro was unvieled at Belle Isle today. 200 lbs lighter. More power. 2.0 turbo as the base car.
Any thoughts?

front reminds me of a hellcat at first

less weight is good

still can't see out the damn thing

2.0? I .... Never mind,

Turbo camaro? I'm not sure what that motor can do, but I sense a potential svo heartbreaker....

I like this angle the best.

They must have started at the rear and worked their way toward the front, then ran out of time and/or good ideas when they got there...So they just slammed the nose into a wall of ugly instead.

that rear 3/4s shot is sex...

Lighter and smaller, that's an improvement. Not sure about the electronic "hand brake" though.

Pretty soon we will have cars with no windows

Huh, they stole the rear 1/4 windows and reveal under them from my 73 Javelin, slapped it on a 15 Mustang body with a Genesis Coupe tail, and a really ugly Camaro bodykit nose. Heavier than a Mustang and only 275HP from the turbo motor?

PASS

Javelin wrote: with a Genesis Coupe tail

That was my first thought also.

Javelin wrote: PASS

and that was my second. I don't get the appeal of the new "muscle" cars - what a bunch of porkers. I guess I should be happy that it's slightly lighter and smaller; long way to go though...

I wonder if the V6 will fit in a Miata.

mndsm wrote: Turbo camaro? I'm not sure what that motor can do, but I sense a potential svo heartbreaker....

550chp, 430whp with a kit meant for the ATS. All bolt ons, including a larger turbo. Only $7k.

Padft is the company.

I like the new Camaro. If it can be had for $25k cdn, I'll probably buy one!

Haters gonna hate.

I like it. It's actually on a Compact RWD platform, not full size. A little smaller, a little lighter.

The turbo motor is not for the enthusiast, it's the base engine even though Chevy is saying the 0-60 is under 6 seconds.

Still has a manual transmisson.

Lesley has been out with them all day, I'd like to get her take on it.

Nick_Comstock wrote: I like this angle the best.

I'm not usually the guy to play the "it totally looks like" game, but something about that picture is pushing the Mustang button for me. I'm trying to figure out what it is - something about how the door and window is handled. Might be the big crease under the door, or the rear fender and taillight angle. I'm having a hard time imagining the scale, too.

Can't complain about those powertrain choices, that's for sure.

I wonder what they'd have to do to make me (and others as a majority of discerning enthusiasts, as opposed to teenagers) say WHAT THE H...!?!!?

What would they have to do to make most of us stop yawning. Tough crowd!

mazdeuce wrote: The 2016 Camaro was unvieled at Belle Isle today. 200 lbs lighter. More power. 2.0 turbo as the base car. Any thoughts?

GM playing follow-the-leader again?

mad_machine wrote: that rear 3/4s shot is sex...

It seems like a good idea from a distance, but when you get there it's just awkward and uncomfortable, and it leaves you with a bunch of regret that you try to mask with being proud of what you got yourself into?

Keith Tanner wrote: I'm not usually the guy to play the "it totally looks like" game, but something about that picture is pushing the Mustang button for me. I'm trying to figure out what it is - something about how the door and window is handled. Might be the big crease under the door, or the rear fender and taillight angle. I'm having a hard time imagining the scale, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coke_bottle_styling

Heh. It appears that the GRM software is parsing the underscores in the URL as markup language.

Looks better than the 2016 Mustang.

In an article on Hotrod.com one of the GM people admitted that the 10 inch side window height was driven by styling clinic input. People preferred the pillbox gun slit windows over styling with bigger openings. I still think most of the current crop of pony cars look like they were styled by Mattel Hot Wheels designers.

That usually makes sense as the hot wheels designers are usually trained in automotive design houses.

DeadSkunk wrote: In an article on Hotrod.com one of the GM people admitted that the 10 inch side window height was driven by styling clinic input. People preferred the pillbox gun slit windows over styling with bigger openings. I still think most of the current crop of pony cars look like they were styled by Mattel Hot Wheels designers.

Reminds me of a conversation I overheard where a GM (suspension?) engineer was lamenting all of the suspension compromises made in the now-previous-generation Camaro because styling just HAD to have huge wheels. Bushings had to have a lot of compliance, spring and damping rates had to be compromised for better ride since there was no give in the sidewalls, etc.

All because some 17 year old girls just gotta have 20" wheels.

I'm getting a little tired of customers unhappy that their car needs such expensive, fast-wearing tires, or that they can't keep all four wheels round for more than three months at a time. "Why do they do this?" Because they think you want it, and some car buyers think they want it too.

Google tells me that the current Camaro weights between 3702 and 4374 lbs. Take 200lbs off the light end of that and it's not too bad for a pony car. Real world tells me that the Current Camaro is really 3-400 lbs heavier than an equivalent Mustang, so this new one will still be heavier.
The 2.0 turbo is a no brainer. They already have the motor sitting on the shelf for the platform. It's interesting that it's the base motor instead of a premium motor like in the mustang. I'm not sure what the take rate on the V8 is currently, but around me I see at least 70% V6 cars. I'm very interested to see what pricing ends up being. It looks like the base cars are within $100 of each other currently.
Lastly, tires. The current Camaro can fit massive tires and that's the reason it can beat the Mustang on a road course in magazine testing. Does the ATS platform have the same huge wheel wells? I've driven the ATS and thought it was brilliant for what it was. I'm optimistic.

Y'all are some picky mothers. Rwd? Check. Turbo? Check. Manual? Check. Base model? Check! They may not be aiming the turbo motor at the enthusiasts, but goddammit, this is the car people keep asking for. And its gonna be cheapish, probably available by the truckload (rental car special!) And as hitempguy kindly pointed out, will make v8 chewing levels of power for comparatively little green. And probably get 30mpg. Why y'all gotta hate? This thing is the first camaro to be excited about since they brought it back.