OK. I "think" y'all have scared me off of this thought train. Saw a good number with <30k miles for $40k or so & my ears perked up. I don't want a car I'm afraid to drive...but that engine sound?
OK. I "think" y'all have scared me off of this thought train. Saw a good number with <30k miles for $40k or so & my ears perked up. I don't want a car I'm afraid to drive...but that engine sound?
In reply to secretariata (Forum Supporter) :
Honestly a lot of the high-rpm 32v Ford's can get you 99% of the way there. Look at Boss 302's.
Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to secretariata (Forum Supporter) :
Honestly a lot of the high-rpm 32v Ford's can get you 99% of the way there. Look at Boss 302's.
That, or if you want the S550, a Mustang GT with the level-2 track pack.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to secretariata (Forum Supporter) :
Honestly a lot of the high-rpm 32v Ford's can get you 99% of the way there. Look at Boss 302's.
That, or if you want the S550, a Mustang GT with the level-2 track pack.
^This. The Gen III Coyote is still 460 hp. Intake, long tubes, E85 tune you're getting close to the Voodoo engine. But of course, not the same soundtrack.
^ It also has a 7400rpm redline. I believe the "Bullet" package was the 480hp with some Ford performance bolt ons. I haven't driven a GT350, I can't help but wonder if the regular GT with an aftermarket diff cooler would be the better bang for the buck.
Camaro z/28s seem like they probably have a similar "special" feeling, with lower production numbers and more collectability. LS7, T56, Carbon ceramic brakes and 305s all around seem like a really desirable combo on paper. I've been saying for a couple of years that they'd get a hard look if I were in the market for 40-50k hot muscle cars.
Not the first time ford spent millions of dollars trying to do something Ferrari already does! (Flat plane crank)
Ask our fellow forum member snrub about that GM warranty and how "great" it is.
Every company has stories about crappy dealer or warranty problems. I have heard way more from Ford recently with the Voodoo and even the gen 3 coyote than I have heard from GM though.
The voodoo by the numbers link only looked at Facebook groups and forums so they aren't legit numbers, not everyone is a member of a forum or Facebook group and not everyone posts about their problems. I don't have better numbers though, and outside of Ford I'm not sure anyone does.
Car and Driver had one as a long term car and they said it burned more oil by far than any other long term car they had and they had a piston rattling around at 2-3k rpm that Ford told them was normal. Which is scary because there have been tons of reports of Gen 3 coyotes making noise that Ford says is normal only for the motor to later fail or someone tear it down and find bearing damage.
I'm not a Ford or mustang guy but I'm coming around to the newer ones and I was really excited about the GT350, but after all the reports which I'm sure are overblown, like everything on the internet, I'm not a fan, because it's overblown until it happens to you and your stuck with a 30k engine, then it's a real problem.
Plus for all their power I don't see getting much actual performance compared to it's competitors. If you look at drag times, I know it's not what the car is made for but hear me out, trap speed is generally a good indicator of power/weight. The Gt350 has 526 HP and usually traps around 118 MPH, which is about what a C7 traps with 460 HP (less weight, probably cheaper or similarly priced on the used market), or slightly higher than an LT1 SS (460hp, cheaper), or about the same a a Gen 3 Coyote in an S550 ( 460hp pretty much the same car) or way lower than a ZL1 (obviously they have 650 HP and are lighter IIRC but anecdotally I've been told they can be had for similar prices on the used market. I don't know if this is a function or gearing or the lack of torque but what does that engine actually get you compare to it's rivals, besides the sound.
My $.02
I have an early (like pre production early) 1st gen Coyote. It’s a sweet engine in every way imaginable but it’s the first engine I’ve ever owned that will use 1 - 2 quarts of oil in 5,000 miles or so between oil changes. I check the oil regularly and keep a couple of quarts, a funnel, etc. with me when we take road trips. 10 or so bucks between oil changes for the E36 M3 eating grins I get when I’m driving it is a price I’ll happily pay.
I’m guessing part of the problem with the Voodoo engines is “normal” oil consumption coupled with clueless owners that think they’re driving an appliance. I’ve watched a couple of the tubers videos, maybe it’s just the ones I’ve happened to see but I’m not seeing a lot of “car guys”. Pretty much a bunch o bros that wanted something loud and flashy to do burnouts with and the money to throw at that. Who knew you’d have to pop the hood once in a while?
It’s very unlikely I’ll ever track mine. I’d love to but in all honesty my driving chops are nowhere near where this car can go; I cant imagine how much more capable the GT350 is. I’d love to try one but I’d check the oil every time I drove it.
I've had a 2018 GT350 for about a year now. Only 2000 miles on it, so hard to say about oil consumption, but it sure drinks up gas! The commute to and from work eats up a quarter tank, and it's 17 miles each way. I'll probably trade it in once the warranty is up considering all the scary stuff about blown up motors. It's way too much car for the street. Second gear tops out at over 70 MPH, so one shift and it's teaparty with bubba time. This car was an impulse buy once I heard the motor roar. It's amazing. Maybe the sound will eventually get old, but I don't drive it enough for that to happen. Should fix that this summer.
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