$2017 Challenge Pickup Truck Sub-Class

I very much agree that sub-classes should not have sub-rules!

So, if you mount a trailer hitch to your Miata to bring a tire trailer to The Challenge, can you leave that hitch on the Miata for the event w/o having to account for the hitch?

In reply to JohnRW1621:

I agree, however if you buy a truck with a fancy hitch, you should be to be able to sell it and recoup budget

In reply to JohnRW1621:

If you leave the hitch on the Miata it counts towards budget. I considered a tire trailer and my plans were to remove the hitch once there or put it in the budget.

So, buy a truck with a hitch already on it and you can use it (or sell it.)

If you buy a truck w/o a hitch then it goes into the budget unless you unbolt it.

In reply to JohnRW1621:

Shhh don't tell anyone but I'm thinking of doing a wheelie hitch. I'm sure I'll need it as fast as I'm going to be. Might even have it triple duty as an antiroll hitch with some rubber mounts ...

Well, my plans don't really call for the hitch for anything other than the concours, but that probably means it is included in the competition...

I'm looking to find one used but supposedly they are rare as hens teeth for my application. A brand new one is only $160 or so. I might be able to fit it in budget either way.

Edit, maybe I can build one...

Yea if it's not going to be truely load carrying building something that looked like a hitch should be easy. Just make sure you remove and destroy it afterwards so that it doesn't fall into someone's hands that thinks it can carry a load.

Robbie wrote: Well, my plans don't really call for the hitch for anything other than the concours, but that probably means it is included in the competition... I'm looking to find one used but supposedly they are rare as hens teeth for my application. A brand new one is only $160 or so. I might be able to fit it in budget either way. Edit, maybe I can build one...

Buy one, copy the dimensions, return it and build your own.

10 pages in, I think this very much deserves repeating...

Stampie wrote: I think we shouldn't cross the line of making sub rules for sub classes.

Also repeated from the first post of this thread...

There are no rule changes for this sub-class but expect that if you want to win this award you will be held to all the intended rules of The Challenge including the rules of safety. The answer of, "but that's how someone did it in 20XX" will not get you by.

Ovid_and_Flem wrote:

Stampie wrote: In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

Thanks for the humiliation....next year I'm coming for you only this time it won't get stuck in second gear for the entire 1320

I'm representing tonight.

I don't know how I'm going to keep the women off me. Well at least all the toothless ones. But you know that has it's advantages also ...

Stampie wrote:

Ovid_and_Flem wrote:

Stampie wrote: In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

Thanks for the humiliation....next year I'm coming for you only this time it won't get stuck in second gear for the entire 1320

I'm representing tonight. I don't know how I'm going to keep the women off me. Well at least all the toothless ones. But you know that has it's advantages also ...

Don't forget flat head and 4 feet tall

Thanks for wearing our team shirt

Stampie wrote:

Ovid_and_Flem wrote:

Stampie wrote: In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

Thanks for the humiliation....next year I'm coming for you only this time it won't get stuck in second gear for the entire 1320

I'm representing tonight. I don't know how I'm going to keep the women off me. Well at least all the toothless ones. But you know that has it's advantages also ...

If the women don't find you handsome, they can at least find you handy.

In reply to patgizz:

I totally misread the handy part.

Who's going to build a V8 Dodge Dakota?

Did someone say truck class? Being sold locally no motor, trans or rear end.

MulletTruck wrote: A little more extreme than what my truck is going to be.

But is this accepted as as a Truck. I don't have a formula car frame. The truck class oval car's here use GM G-body frames for the most part, stock car products sells a roll bar kit. that should be good to go. yes! ,no!!, maybe?

Just sayin'...

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5831730772.html

http://columbiamo.craigslist.org/cto/5832681442.html

In reply to GTXVette:

At the Challenge town-hall meeting someone made the analogy to porn - you know it when you see it - and it was stated that anything resembling or converted into a "pickup" was fair game, within the other rules of the event.

Yeah, it's a sub class attempting to get people to enter the challenge in a fun way so the magazine can have stuff to write about. If you can rationalize it being a truck, it's probably a truck.

So bed ... ? As long as it has a pickup cab?

pick·up
ˈpikˌəp
noun
1. a small truck with an enclosed cab and open back.

In reply to GTXVette:

This has been to The Challenge twice.

It is a G-body frame which is the thing that made it legal in the past as a "production vehicle"
Even though it may have been entered as a Monte Carlo in the past it will also be welcome in the 2017 truck class.

also i read that rule as stan's truck qualifies as production based with a g body frame. but i would assume it goes the other way and you stick a production truck body on a race chassis you found in the woods behind some old circle track shop that closed in the 70's, it's still production based.

In reply to patgizz:

Roadkill's Nascarlo...

Seems like a production car to me.
I think the intention of the production car rule was so that the magazine would have cars that look like real cars.

Above, that seems as much as a Monte Carlo as this seems as a Bettle.

A truck should be defined on what it can do and its chassis layout, besides a vehicle having an open bed - it is a specific class of vehicle. If you can fit a full size refridgerator in the bed, haul a minimum of a 1000lb load in the bed, AND tow a minimum of 3500lbs, then it could be considered for a truck category. That said, to solidify it being called a truck a ladder frame, RWD/4WD with solid/live-axle rear, AND rear leaf spring or airbag based suspension should be chassis requirements. Meets all the above...boom, it's a truck, no matter what.

A Truck class would be cool and something I would like to enter, but not if it's a 'Psuedo Truck' class...

Vracer111, who autocrossed a stock ride height extended cab Tacoma in the Houston region for 4 years, and was quicker than half the field in their sports cars...