2019 Ford Ranger Diesel Raptor

The Diesel Escape (Kuga) offered in Germany was surprisingly decent and had lots of grunt.  Sadly folks are correct that it likely won't be offered here.  The 2.3T does sound intriguing though?  

This Ranger Raptor is the first modern mid size I've actually been excited about. The ZR2 is sorta underwhelming (31s?! Really?!) so it's nice to see Ford stepping it up. 

Count me in as excited about the Bronco/Everest too. 4Runners are the only off-road capable mid-size SUVs left, which is worrisome for the future. Everything else is too big, too low, and/or too soft.

Before anyone says anything, Wranglers just don't fit into the SUV category for me. They've carved out their own special niche in the automotive market. 

The Ranger Raptor is only .5" narrower than the F-150 Raptor. 

Im still not driving a Ford.

thatsnowinnebago said:

This Ranger Raptor is the first modern mid size I've actually been excited about. The ZR2 is sorta underwhelming (31s?! Really?!) so it's nice to see Ford stepping it up. 

Count me in as excited about the Bronco/Everest too. 4Runners are the only off-road capable mid-size SUVs left, which is worrisome for the future. Everything else is too big, too low, and/or too soft.

Before anyone says anything, Wranglers just don't fit into the SUV category for me. They've carved out their own special niche in the automotive market. 

This cracks me up. Exactly what would you be doing that would need larger than 31s?

When a Crown Vic on all seasons can drive around Moab, I laugh at some of the stuff my friends do to their Wranglers and Cherokees that most stock height sedans could pass.

In reply to z31maniac :

Plenty of places need more than 31s, especially in Moab. Don't confuse dirt roads with 4x4 trails.

The big problem with the ZR2 is that is has all that fancy off-road tech (F/R lockers, spool valve shocks, etc.) and those little tiny tires. It's like if the Z06 came with all season tires, that just wouldn't make sense for what the car is capable of. 

fasted58 said:

The Ranger Raptor is only .5" narrower than the F-150 Raptor. 

Haha, really?

thatsnowinnebago said:

fasted58 said:

The Ranger Raptor is only .5" narrower than the F-150 Raptor. 

Haha, really?

Around 2:00 minute mark

85.8 vs 86.3

thatsnowinnebago said:

In reply to z31maniac :

Plenty of places need more than 31s, especially in Moab. Don't confuse dirt roads with 4x4 trails.

The big problem with the ZR2 is that is has all that fancy off-road tech (F/R lockers, spool valve shocks, etc.) and those little tiny tires. It's like if the Z06 came with all season tires, that just wouldn't make sense for what the car is capable of. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwPXEeJ3aI

Dirt roads all right.................lol

fasted58 said:

thatsnowinnebago said:

fasted58 said:

The Ranger Raptor is only .5" narrower than the F-150 Raptor. 

Haha, really?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/xzq5aN7_hJU?rel=0&showinfo=0&start=172

Around 2:00 minute mark

85.8 vs 86.3

This was brought up somewhere else, and it was pointed out that width of international vehicles is typically measured to include the side mirrors, while domestics do not include the mirrors. If that's true, then he's comparing the Ranger Raptor with side mirrors to the width of the f-150 Raptor without. 

Perhaps track width would be a better measurement? A stock T6 Ranger has a track of 1560mm or 61.4 inches. The raptor trim is certainly wider than a stock ranger, but no way it's going to be close to 2 ft wider than the base Ranger.

In reply to STM317 :

That makes sense

Not to make a new thread, the 2019 Ranger build and price site is live!

XL, XLT and Lariat trams are there to build. Pricing mine out, it slots right between an ECLB gas Colorado and CCLB diesel Colorado. I'm curious what the MPGs are as that may sway me to the Ranger instead.

Truck month is only a few months away...

MINIzguy said:

I'm curious what the MPGs are as that may sway me to the Ranger instead.

I wouldn't make that call until after there are some good real world results available though. The EPA test cycle frequently seems to be a little soft on turbo engines.

Since other's brought up the Bronco

There was a full on 2019 ranger thread somewhere.... Ehh, I'm sure there will be more. I caught the build and price site when it was accidentally live before it was supposed to be. I built up the 4dr 4x4 gasser I wanted and came out just under 37 well optioned. I need to go back and see if the prices changed.

Was the short bed regular cab image still coming up? THAT freaked out some folks.

EDIT: well, no regular cab image anymore. The FX4 XL 4dr with gas engine, tow package, and bed liner came up to $36,190.  Figure you might get that down to a street price of $30 in a year or so. That's probably still $5k less than the cheapest comparably equipped F150 I've found. Not bad. 

Now, tell me how I get the steel wheels from the base XL model instead of the aluminum sport wheels you get with the FX4.

Double Edit: I built a current F150 as close to the same option specs and came out at $41,235, so about $5k more, as I though. You can get the steel wheels on an FX4 package truck if you get the 150 though. Spec'd with the FX4 package, the tow pack, and the 2.7L V6 gets you the $41k price. That truck should be rated to tow 8,000lbs. Interestingly, the Ranger is expected to beat the Colorado diesel's 7700lb max. That means the F150 and the Ranger won't be separated by much real capability for that $5000 price difference. Of course, if you pay another $1500 you can get the 5.0L V8 in the 150 and tow 10,900.  (side note - the 2.7LTT makes the same 400ftlbs at 2750rpm that the V8 makes at 4500rpm...so why is it rated for almost 3klbs less towing?)

mad_machine said:

With the price (and size) of new trucks through the roof, it is time for a smaller and cheaper pickup. I hope Ford follows through and the others take notice.

Agreed. A lot of people just need a small truck. Hell something Courier sized and cheap would probably sell very well.

Ive done construction for many years with a Ranger. Its laughable that people buy a f350 Brodozer Special to tow their one skidoo

z31maniac said:

thatsnowinnebago said:

In reply to z31maniac :

Plenty of places need more than 31s, especially in Moab. Don't confuse dirt roads with 4x4 trails.

The big problem with the ZR2 is that is has all that fancy off-road tech (F/R lockers, spool valve shocks, etc.) and those little tiny tires. It's like if the Z06 came with all season tires, that just wouldn't make sense for what the car is capable of. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwPXEeJ3aI

Dirt roads all right.................lol

That's Hell's Revenge. Dramatic, but the vast majority of it doesn't really work a vehicle. It's very high traction rock that goes up and down steep slopes. His biggest difficulty would be approach and departure angles, and you can finesse that to some extent given how wide the approaches to the climbs are. The Panther would have trouble with just about any other trail in the area.

I don't see why the Bronco would have to be BOF. The XJ isn't, and they seem to be acceptable.

Keith Tanner said:

z31maniac said:

thatsnowinnebago said:

In reply to z31maniac :

Plenty of places need more than 31s, especially in Moab. Don't confuse dirt roads with 4x4 trails.

The big problem with the ZR2 is that is has all that fancy off-road tech (F/R lockers, spool valve shocks, etc.) and those little tiny tires. It's like if the Z06 came with all season tires, that just wouldn't make sense for what the car is capable of. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwPXEeJ3aI

Dirt roads all right.................lol

That's Hell's Revenge. Dramatic, but the vast majority of it doesn't really work a vehicle. It's very high traction rock that goes up and down steep slopes. His biggest difficulty would be approach and departure angles, and you can finesse that to some extent given how wide the approaches to the climbs are. The Panther would have trouble with just about any other trail in the area.

I don't see why the Bronco would have to be BOF. The XJ isn't, and they seem to be acceptable.

https://youtu.be/KFwPXEeJ3aI   hells revenge.. crown vic.. oldy but goodie..

Fueled by Caffeine said:

Keith Tanner said:

z31maniac said:

thatsnowinnebago said:

In reply to z31maniac :

Plenty of places need more than 31s, especially in Moab. Don't confuse dirt roads with 4x4 trails.

The big problem with the ZR2 is that is has all that fancy off-road tech (F/R lockers, spool valve shocks, etc.) and those little tiny tires. It's like if the Z06 came with all season tires, that just wouldn't make sense for what the car is capable of. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwPXEeJ3aI

Dirt roads all right.................lol

That's Hell's Revenge. Dramatic, but the vast majority of it doesn't really work a vehicle. It's very high traction rock that goes up and down steep slopes. His biggest difficulty would be approach and departure angles, and you can finesse that to some extent given how wide the approaches to the climbs are. The Panther would have trouble with just about any other trail in the area.

I don't see why the Bronco would have to be BOF. The XJ isn't, and they seem to be acceptable.

https://youtu.be/KFwPXEeJ3aI   hells revenge.. crown vic.. oldy but goodie..

That's Hell's Revenge. Dramatic, but the vast majority of it doesn't really work a vehicle. It's very high traction rock that goes up and down steep slopes. His biggest difficulty would be approach and departure angles, and you can finesse that to some extent given how wide the approaches to the climbs are. The Panther would have trouble with just about any other trail in the area.

TFL How Much is the Most & Least Expensive 2019 Ford Ranger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw3DiMRv1SI

fidelity101 said:

Im still not driving a Ford.

Me either.  Which is why I hope this Bronco is REALLY popular and GM brings back the two door Tahoe/Blazer. 

(But, I might be swayed by a Ranger Raptor if I could swing the cost.....)

-Rob

Keith Tanner said:

Fueled by Caffeine said:

Keith Tanner said:

z31maniac said:

thatsnowinnebago said:

In reply to z31maniac :

Plenty of places need more than 31s, especially in Moab. Don't confuse dirt roads with 4x4 trails.

The big problem with the ZR2 is that is has all that fancy off-road tech (F/R lockers, spool valve shocks, etc.) and those little tiny tires. It's like if the Z06 came with all season tires, that just wouldn't make sense for what the car is capable of. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwPXEeJ3aI

Dirt roads all right.................lol

That's Hell's Revenge. Dramatic, but the vast majority of it doesn't really work a vehicle. It's very high traction rock that goes up and down steep slopes. His biggest difficulty would be approach and departure angles, and you can finesse that to some extent given how wide the approaches to the climbs are. The Panther would have trouble with just about any other trail in the area.

I don't see why the Bronco would have to be BOF. The XJ isn't, and they seem to be acceptable.

https://youtu.be/KFwPXEeJ3aI   hells revenge.. crown vic.. oldy but goodie..

That's Hell's Revenge. Dramatic, but the vast majority of it doesn't really work a vehicle. It's very high traction rock that goes up and down steep slopes. His biggest difficulty would be approach and departure angles, and you can finesse that to some extent given how wide the approaches to the climbs are. The Panther would have trouble with just about any other trail in the area.

LOL

I don't understand why someone would want a ~200hp diesel in a Raptor that will lose probably 30-40% of its goodness if it doesn't have enough power to do a 4-wheel drift (on dirt/sand). From where i'm sitting, the power difference is the main reason why the new Raptor F150 is better than a ZR2, a Ranger Raptor, or the old F150 Raptor. It's a truck for hooning. A 200hp 3500 rpm diesel is not gonna be good for hooning. That power delivery would be more at home in a crawler like a Wrangler Rubicon.

In reply to Vigo :

Comparing Raptor to ZR2 is apples to oranges, each has their forte and trade-offs.

But I'll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q79cuuAGUiw

Surprise...  a stock ZR2 kicks butt against some heavy hitters.