David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/25/19 3:37 p.m.
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In a world where luxury brands have all embraced the SUV, here’s a chewy little morsel from Lexus: We count not one but two premium coupes on their current roster, with the RC joined by the flagship LC.

What makes the LC the flagship? It says so, right there on their media site: “The emotional designs and high-performance models issued …

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z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
3/25/19 4:21 p.m.

Is that the same 10 speed used by the Mustang/Camaro/etc?

 

Not that I can afford one, but I love that Lexus is still building stuff like this.

NickD
NickD PowerDork
3/25/19 4:38 p.m.
z31maniac said:

Is that the same 10 speed used by the Mustang/Camaro/etc?

 

Not that I can afford one, but I love that Lexus is still building stuff like this.

I'm pretty sure that this 10-speed is a pure Lexus design, and no the Ford/GM joint 10-speed.

I think this thing is pretty damn attractive, and the best application of the Lexus corporate front end

Vigo
Vigo UltimaDork
3/25/19 4:54 p.m.

Nobody seems to care about the 500h even though I suspect it is roughly as good of a car as the regular 500. Even though the 500h is also a 10 spd, it is not the same trans. It is a two stage transmission that has a HSD (toyota hybrid trans that acts like a cvt) in series with a 4 spd conventional auto that together can simulate 10 fixed ratios. What i wonder about this new trans is whether it's now beefy enough to hold up to the big v8 engine. Lexus did put their older 5.0 in front of the old ' 2spd hybrid cvt' in the LS600h, but it was pretty severely de-tuned in the sense that it wouldn't allow the V8 to rev to its upper range until 60mph or later. If the new hybrid trans can take the v8 it would make for a pretty interesting LC-F. Something like 530hp and around 600 peak torque, if it wasn't detuned for one reason or another. 

 

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
3/25/19 5:03 p.m.

looks cool from the back and the side. I can see some nods to the old SC300/SC400, but can't pinpoint where. The corporate grill kind of ruins the look. There is literally nothing it looks good on IMO.  Is it available with a M/T?

Snrub
Snrub HalfDork
3/25/19 5:13 p.m.

I think it looks fantastic. I love the clean lines. As others have mentioned, the grill could be better, but nothing is perfect. I'm not a GT kind of person, but I'm glad to see someone producing this kind of car. We seem to be moving further away from cars as pieces of art and more towards cars that are the results of the mean design approved by focus groups. This car moves the trend back in the right direction.

NickD
NickD PowerDork
3/25/19 5:16 p.m.
Vigo said:

Nobody seems to care about the 500h even though I suspect it is roughly as good of a car as the regular 500. Even though the 500h is also a 10 spd, it is not the same trans. It is a two stage transmission that has a HSD (toyota hybrid trans that acts like a cvt) in series with a 4 spd conventional auto that together can simulate 10 fixed ratios. What i wonder about this new trans is whether it's now beefy enough to hold up to the big v8 engine. Lexus did put their older 5.0 in front of it in the LS600h, but it was pretty severely de-tuned in the sense that it wouldn't allow the V8 to rev to its upper range until 60mph or later. If the new hybrid trans can take the v8 it would make for a pretty interesting LC-F. Something like 530hp and around 600 peak torque, if it wasn't detuned for one reason or another. 

 

I seem to recall that the 4-speed with a CVT trans setup didn't work that well in the RC-F, being frustratingly slow to shift.

NickD
NickD PowerDork
3/25/19 5:19 p.m.

When Scion went out of business and the tC ceased to exist, there was a rumor that Fredric Aasbo was going to run an LC500 in Formula Drift, and the renderings looked great. Instead he went to a Corolla hatchback. *Yawn*

Vigo
Vigo UltimaDork
3/25/19 6:04 p.m.

I seem to recall that the 4-speed with a CVT trans setup didn't work that well in the RC-F, being frustratingly slow to shift.

The hybrid 10 spd hasn't been used outside of the LC500h yet. Even if they use it on the GS450h it might elevate that back onto my 'list' since that would make the current one actually faster than the one i used to have.  

boxedfox
boxedfox Reader
3/25/19 7:34 p.m.

I'm counting down the days to January 1, 2039 when the cars will have depreciated enough for me to afford one.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
3/25/19 7:56 p.m.
NickD said:

When Scion went out of business and the tC ceased to exist, there was a rumor that Fredric Aasbo was going to run an LC500 in Formula Drift, and the renderings looked great. Instead he went to a Corolla hatchback. *Yawn*

Okay, that's cool. Thanks for sharing. 

And, yeah, that 10-speed is smooooth. I know that we all like to row our own, but it's a darn fine alternative.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
3/26/19 8:02 a.m.
Snrub said:

I think it looks fantastic. I love the clean lines. As others have mentioned, the grill could be better, but nothing is perfect. I'm not a GT kind of person, but I'm glad to see someone producing this kind of car. We seem to be moving further away from cars as pieces of art and more towards cars that are the results of the mean design approved by focus groups. This car moves the trend back in the right direction.

I was never really a GT-type person either. Although as I get older and priorities change (just turned 37), the idea of something that is luxurious, fast, nice looking is appealing.

As much as I miss doing track days/HPDE, I just don't see myself building a dedicated car for it again. Nor the investment of time and money to keep one safely performing well.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
3/26/19 11:24 a.m.
irish44j said:

Is it available with a M/T?

Not for a $92,000 price point, there isn't.

hobiercr
hobiercr GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/26/19 3:33 p.m.

So David, what was the main difference between the 10 speed in the LC vs the one in the RC F? I figured it would be the same box.

Vigo
Vigo UltimaDork
3/26/19 9:56 p.m.

The RC-F has an 8 speed transmission. Probably more or less the same one that was generally liked in the IS-F over 10 years ago. 

dxman92
dxman92 Reader
3/26/19 9:59 p.m.

I work with someone who had a red RC and coupe and dang that is a nice looking car. yes

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/27/19 7:44 a.m.

If it takes several years to downshift, I am not sure how that can be jerky.  Odd. I have to give Lexus credit for the noise their V8s make, however. As staid as Lexus is, their sporty V8's have an old-school growl that is just awesome. 

ztnedman1
ztnedman1 New Reader
3/27/19 12:30 p.m.

I hate Toyota...I hate Lexus.  I love the LC500(and LFA!).  This is the actual successor to the Supra(note side view/interior).  

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