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Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
10/27/22 9:16 a.m.
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The 2023 Honda Civic Type R is set to arrive at a dealership near you “starting tomorrow,” with a starting MSRP of $42,895.

Including a $1095 Destination Charge, that total comes out to $43,990.

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trucke
trucke SuperDork
10/27/22 9:52 a.m.

Wow!  I'll keep my FK8!

QuikMcshifterson
QuikMcshifterson New Reader
10/27/22 11:10 a.m.

I'm betting it's more like:

Including a $1095 Destination Charge and a 'Market Value Adjustment' of $20,000 that total comes out to $63,990.

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
10/27/22 11:43 a.m.

That does seem like a lot of money for a Civic Type R, so I wanted to run the numbers through an inflation calculator just for fun. Here's what I got:

  • Starting MSRP for the 2021 model was $37,895.
  • Plugging that price into an inflation calculator–and assuming you bought a 2021 model at MSRP in 2021 (which I know nobody did)–I get $41,508.43 in 2022 monies.

Edit:

Here's the inflation calculator I used.

CrustyRedXpress
CrustyRedXpress GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/27/22 11:52 a.m.
Colin Wood said:

That does seem like a lot of money for a Civic Type R, so I wanted to run the numbers through an inflation calculator just for fun. Here's what I got:

  • Starting MSRP for the 2021 model was $37,895.
  • Plugging that price into an inflation calculator–and assuming you bought a 2021 model at MSRP in 2021 (which I know nobody did)–I get $41,508.43 in 2022 monies.

This is good mathing. At one point increases in the price of cars was a large component of the overall inflation rate, which would make the 43.9k figure even more reasonable.

Tom1200
Tom1200 UberDork
10/27/22 11:57 a.m.

aaaaaaand an inflation adjusted CRX Si would be about 23K in todays dollars.

The type R is an amazing car but for me one of the key elements of a hot hatch is a low to lowish price.

I can buy a hell of a used performance car for 43K.........again I am cheap.

CrustyRedXpress
CrustyRedXpress GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/27/22 12:16 p.m.
Tom1200 said:

aaaaaaand an inflation adjusted CRX Si would be about 23K in todays dollars.

The type R is an amazing car but for me one of the key elements of a hot hatch is a low to lowish price.

I can but a hell of a used performance car for 43K.........again I am cheap.

True! But an integra type r in 2000 was 24.5k, or about 39.8k in today's dollars.

https://www.autobytel.com/acura/integra/2000/prices/

https://www.calculator.net/inflation-calculator.html?cstartingamount1=24500&cinyear1=2000&coutyear1=2022&calctype=1&x=69&y=15

kb58
kb58 UltraDork
10/27/22 12:51 p.m.

Farewell, grassroots

trucke
trucke SuperDork
10/27/22 1:42 p.m.

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) UberDork
10/27/22 2:15 p.m.

Hmmm. So keeping my Si and justifying another expensive fun car to my wife is now economically feasible!  Sweet!  

yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
10/27/22 2:27 p.m.

In reply to CrustyRedXpress :

In just a year $37k turned into $41k? I'm going to sit down now lol

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
10/27/22 2:49 p.m.

Makes the Elantra N look even more appealing. 

Matt B (fs)
Matt B (fs) UltraDork
10/27/22 3:06 p.m.

In reply to bobzilla :

Good thing, because the N needs the lipstick. (ducks and runs for cover... cheeky)

rob_lewis
rob_lewis UberDork
10/27/22 3:22 p.m.
Matt B (fs) said:

In reply to bobzilla :

Good thing, because the N needs the lipstick. (ducks and runs for cover... cheeky)

On the Elantra front end, lipstick would make it even more fugly. 

Price aside, I still love that manufacturers are making sporty cars.  Several times in my life I've heard about the "end of the performance car" and yet, they're still cranking them out.  While I wouldn't buy a Type R because I'm old now and would rather have a bunch of running projects than one car, it does make me consider an Si model.  It reminds me that there are still fun, manual transmission cars out there to buy. 

-Rob

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
10/27/22 4:12 p.m.

In reply to Matt B (fs) :

I ain't going to argue that. It's why we need the i20N, less fugly nose.

Ian F (Forum Supporter)
Ian F (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
10/27/22 4:59 p.m.
rob_lewis said:
Matt B (fs) said:

In reply to bobzilla :

Good thing, because the N needs the lipstick. (ducks and runs for cover... cheeky)

On the Elantra front end, lipstick would make it even more fugly. 

Price aside, I still love that manufacturers are making sporty cars.  Several times in my life I've heard about the "end of the performance car" and yet, they're still cranking them out.  While I wouldn't buy a Type R because I'm old now and would rather have a bunch of occasionally running projects than one car, it does make me consider an Si model.  It reminds me that there are still fun, manual transmission cars out there to buy. 

-Rob

Fixed for me, but otherwise I agree. 

I'm sure future used shoppers are wishing I'd buy one - since it would mostly sit in the garage and get rarely driven until I finally sell it in 20 years, all original with maybe 20K miles on it...

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
10/27/22 5:02 p.m.

My dealer told me $5000 over MSRP - 6/7 guys ahead of me.  

Figure 2-3 years he said.  Needs a $500 deposit right now.  

Andy Neuman
Andy Neuman SuperDork
10/27/22 5:23 p.m.

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

That's exactly what my dealer told me. 
 

In reply to bobzilla :

The N does look tempting compared to the civic price. 

msterbeau
msterbeau New Reader
10/27/22 5:53 p.m.
Datsun310Guy said:

My dealer told me $5000 over MSRP - 6/7 guys ahead of me.  

Figure 2-3 years he said.  Needs a $500 deposit right now.  

2-3 years for what?  To get one at all or to get one at MSRP? 

Woody (Forum Supportum)
Woody (Forum Supportum) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/27/22 5:57 p.m.

Is this actually heading to dealers soon?

Because none of the dealers around here have gotten a 2022 Civic Si yet. 

Andy Neuman
Andy Neuman SuperDork
10/27/22 6:36 p.m.

In reply to msterbeau :

Estimated wait with being number 6 in line to get one for $5000 over MSRP.

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed UltraDork
10/27/22 6:39 p.m.
bobzilla said:

Makes the Elantra N look even more appealing. 

Hey Bob, A little bit of a change in topic but....what's going on with the N cars? No dealers have any 23's yet and nobody can tell me why. Maybe a chip problem?  Also, there seems to be an issue with the DCTs on the N's so there there is a hold on further sales until that get's sorted out. Dealers can't/won't say anything. Any insight?

msterbeau
msterbeau New Reader
10/27/22 6:47 p.m.
Andy Neuman said:

In reply to msterbeau :

Estimated wait with being number 6 in line to get one for $5000 over MSRP.

Good grief.  I might need to get on a list sooner than expected if I decide to get one.  That said, I'm not super interested in committing to a $5000 markup if they will be selling for MSRP in a year.  I'll have to check the local dealers.  Fortunately I have 5 or 6 options.  

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
10/27/22 6:57 p.m.

What he said above.

6/7 people he thinks are on the list.  If I drop off my $500 I become person #8.  I should see my car in 2-3 years.  

However my sales guy is kind of a dick and might be saying this to get me in tonight to get my deposit.   

Wait, my sales guy is kind of a dick?  I might be the 20th dick to contact him today.  

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
10/27/22 7:36 p.m.

Oh yeah, we need to advertise?

 

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