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Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
4/12/23 1:01 p.m.
jmabarone said:

What manager at GM looked at what Ford did with the Mustang Mach E and thought "yeah, let's get some of that."?

One that can read a sales chart?

calteg
calteg SuperDork
4/12/23 1:02 p.m.
STM317 said:

Ahh yes... another expensive performance CUV. Just in time for the next recession.

Honestly, I have no problem with it if it has Corvette performance. Using the Alpha chassis indicates RWD bias with AWD potential and capability to fit most of GM's powerplants which is a good start.

The rich have gotten much, much richer recently. Expensive performance SUVs have been one segment that's sold really well.

If this is really a 2025, dealer "market adjustments" won't die off until 2026...I hope we're not in a recession 3 years from now, but it's entirely possible

dj06482 (Forum Supporter)
dj06482 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/12/23 1:27 p.m.

I'm a 3-time Mustang owner (all V8/manuals). After riding shotgun for a 0-60 rip in a Mach E GT at the NY Auto Show this week, I can live with them calling it a Mustang, especially as the regular Mustang is still for sale alongside it.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
4/12/23 2:04 p.m.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:
jmabarone said:

What manager at GM looked at what Ford did with the Mustang Mach E and thought "yeah, let's get some of that."?

One that can read a sales chart?

No. They are looking at the sales numbers of this bloated thing:

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
4/12/23 2:15 p.m.
Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) said:

In reply to Olemiss540 :

Traverse+Corvette+travesty= Travettesty. 

i just spit my drink on my keyboard

STM317
STM317 PowerDork
4/12/23 2:18 p.m.

In reply to calteg :

It's very common for expensive things to sell well before a recession. The upper middle class and retiree buyers for a vehicle like this will tighten the purse strings when the economy slows. My concern was less about trying to sell this during a recession and more about GM delaying it, killing it completely, or worst case changing it into some econobox branding project while it's still being developed during a recession. We saw in the aftermath of the GFC how conservative car OEMs can get. Projects rarely see massive change after contracts are signed with suppliers and production has been allocated to certain plants. But if the economy goes sideways  in the next 12 months while this thing is still nascent, then anything could happen.

mtn
mtn MegaDork
4/12/23 2:23 p.m.

Yikes. That is quite ugly. 

I'm ok with the idea, I personally think that Ford has executed it well, but this seems to be falling too much into the "cheap plastic" reputation of the Corvette rather than the V8 berkeley YEAH reputation of it. Why not start with an Escalade and lower it and chop the top a little? Why did they go from bland to bland with stick-on-ugly when they had the Escalade to start from? Or Lyric?

CyberEric
CyberEric Dork
4/12/23 2:37 p.m.

I'm surprised that I'm surprised. But I am. Then I remember there are SUVs by Porsche, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Ferrari, etc. I guess the difference is those are all car makers, not a model. 
 

Its stupid to me, but I've never driven one. Hell, it might even be faster than the Corvette if it has AWD.

What a weird world. I think I'd be less bothered if car companies were still making small, affordable, fun to drive cars like the Mazda 2, Honda Fit and Ford Fiesta. 
 

 

buzzboy
buzzboy SuperDork
4/12/23 2:49 p.m.

GM finally coming to their senses and making the Corvette front engined like it was intended

fidelity101
fidelity101 UberDork
4/12/23 3:35 p.m.

In reply to buzzboy :

but Zora wanted it mid engine from the get go...

Ian F (Forum Supporter)
Ian F (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/12/23 3:36 p.m.

In reply to dj06482 (Forum Supporter) :

The other thing about the Mach E is it's surprisingly small.  It's almost more of a CUV than an SUV.  Especially when seen next to other common SUVs. 

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/12/23 4:11 p.m.
Error404 said:

That is not a Corvette. 

 

Unless it comes with white NB's, tube socks, and khaki cargo shorts as factory standard. Then sure, no one asked but GM went ahead and did it anyway. 

Why would it come with a white Miata?

Toyman!
Toyman! GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/12/23 4:21 p.m.

Why the hate? If you don't like it don't buy it. 

Personally, I'd probably buy one of those before I bought a vette. 

Except for the whole $100k price tag. 

 

SKJSS (formerly Klayfish)
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) PowerDork
4/12/23 7:43 p.m.

I'm thinking this was meant to be released on April 1st, but in true GM fashion it was late and only half finished.  April Fools indeed.

vwcorvette (Forum Supporter)
vwcorvette (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/12/23 7:48 p.m.

GM has a truck division. Two actually. This is akin to selling Saturns and Cavaliers and Sunfires all at the same time. Just put a Cadillac badge on it already.

dj06482 (Forum Supporter)
dj06482 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/12/23 10:13 p.m.
Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to dj06482 (Forum Supporter) :

The other thing about the Mach E is it's surprisingly small.  It's almost more of a CUV than an SUV.  Especially when seen next to other common SUVs. 

In all fairness, I sat in the front, which had a good amount of room. But my wife and two sons fit in the back seat pretty well. It's definitely a decent size, but I would also say it's not bloated.  It's definitely looks smaller in person than you expect it to be.

gearheadmb
gearheadmb UltraDork
4/13/23 4:00 p.m.

This is weird. GM has always been so protective of the Corvette "brand" to the extent of killing good vehicles because they couldn't let something else outperform their flagship. Then they would just slap the name on an suv?

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
4/13/23 4:22 p.m.
Olemiss540 said:
iansane said:

I know GM loves to badge engineer everything but is this just a traverse?

Travette

Travesty has a nice ring to it!

travesty

noun

trav·​es·​ty ˈtra-və-stē 

 

1

: a debased, distorted, or grossly inferior imitation

a travesty of justice

 

2

: a burlesque translation or literary or artistic imitation usually grotesquely incongruous in style, treatment, or subject matter

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/13/23 5:22 p.m.

I want one if they keep the C8 drive line in it.  Yes I want a mid-engine SUV

pheller
pheller UltimaDork
4/13/23 7:07 p.m.

SCG Boot is calling your name. It's already got the Corvette motor mounted just in front of the rear axle. 

200623_4dr black red interior sabelt seats.jpg

BAMF
BAMF HalfDork
4/13/23 9:36 p.m.
jmabarone said:

What manager at GM looked at what Ford did with the Mustang Mach E and thought "yeah, let's get some of that."?

The younger sibling of the manager at Ford. 

Error404
Error404 HalfDork
4/13/23 10:09 p.m.
thatsnowinnebago said:
Error404 said:

That is not a Corvette. 

 

Unless it comes with white NB's, tube socks, and khaki cargo shorts as factory standard. Then sure, no one asked but GM went ahead and did it anyway. 

Why would it come with a white Miata?

Presumably that's the sporty car part of it and the form factor justifies the bougie price tag this will command. I guess if you still have new car money right now you need some way to flaunt it while taking on the treacherous parking lot puddles at the Nordstrom Outlet. 

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon UberDork
4/13/23 10:31 p.m.

GM is odd. So they're trying to create a separate high performance luxury brand to sell status symbols under the "Corvette" name when they already have a performance and luxury brand... Cadillac.

Also, haha. And people thought Mustang fans were pissed off with the Mach-E. Those guys aren't even near the fanaticism of Corvette dudes.

It will be a heck of a car though. Just think of it  as a really fast station wagon ;)

A 401 CJ
A 401 CJ GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/14/23 8:39 a.m.
gearheadmb said:

This is weird. GM has always been so protective of the Corvette "brand" to the extent of killing good vehicles because they couldn't let something else outperform their flagship. Then they would just slap the name on an suv?

If that were true they would have axed it after about 1973 and then revived it when it was ready again.  They did irreparable damage to the brand with the anemic 'disco Vette' era.

iansane
iansane GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/14/23 10:11 a.m.
BlueInGreen - Jon said:

GM is odd. So they're trying to create a separate high performance luxury brand to sell status symbols under the "Corvette" name when they already have a performance and luxury brand... Cadillac.

Also, haha. And people thought Mustang fans were pissed off with the Mach-E. Those guys aren't even near the fanaticism of Corvette dudes.

It will be a heck of a car though. Just think of it  as a really fast station wagon ;)

I was raised a GM guy and love some of the weird junk they've put out but they've made some incredibly boneheaded decisions over the years to the point I'm surprised they're still around. 

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