In reply to j_tso :
Seeing the energy levels was cool. I liked it as well.
In reply to j_tso :
Seeing the energy levels was cool. I liked it as well.
CrashDummy said:I've watched a few hours of the race on MotorTrend TV. Unfortunately they seem to be 90% focused on the Hypercar/GTP/P1 class. I want to hear about the GT3s! Was super excited to watch the Mustangs and the Iron Dames.
That's been my ongoing complaint about coverage of any race with prototypes. I like them, but I want to see the GT cars, too. I was hoping the Iron Dames would at least make the podium.
Can anyone explain the difference between "energy level" and "fuel remaining"? I think the prototypes are hybrid but I thought it was just energy recovery under braking to redeploy for a speed boost on the straights. Learn me!
BenB said:CrashDummy said:I've watched a few hours of the race on MotorTrend TV. Unfortunately they seem to be 90% focused on the Hypercar/GTP/P1 class. I want to hear about the GT3s! Was super excited to watch the Mustangs and the Iron Dames.
That's been my ongoing complaint about coverage of any race with prototypes. I like them, but I want to see the GT cars, too. I was hoping the Iron Dames would at least make the podium.
Podium would have been amazing but P5 is a great result to back up their P4 from last year in a deep and competitive class.
CrashDummy said:Can anyone explain the difference between "energy level" and "fuel remaining"? I think the prototypes are hybrid but I thought it was just energy recovery under braking to redeploy for a speed boost on the straights. Learn me!
Energy available to both the combustion engine and electric motor. Cars have 500kw of power total, however the amount of electric power varies from different cars.
LMDh (Porsche, Cadillac) have a spec motor that puts 50kw to the rear wheels.
LMH (Ferrari, Toyota) can put up to 200kw through the front wheels.
It was a very good result for Teatro Fraschini to complete the first in their first attempt.
j_tso said:CrashDummy said:Can anyone explain the difference between "energy level" and "fuel remaining"? I think the prototypes are hybrid but I thought it was just energy recovery under braking to redeploy for a speed boost on the straights. Learn me!
Energy available to both the combustion engine and electric motor. Cars have 500kw of power total, however the amount of electric power varies from different cars.
LMDh (Porsche, Cadillac) have a spec motor that puts 50kw to the rear wheels.
LMH (Ferrari, Toyota) can put up to 200kw through the front wheels.
But because of them being hybrids, the number we got to see (which was a rough average) is just the fuel amount. The electrical amount goes up and down constantly during a lap, since they don't charge the batteries during a stop.
What was the technical issue for the 50 & 51 that resulted in a reprimand?
In reply to BenB :
I agree although I appreciate the whole race was broadcast on Motortrend end to end. I put it on the TV and it was my families background noise for Saturday, it was fun to sit down and watch the current story in the race (when it wasn't a safety car).
I'm not particularly bugged about the expended safety car for rain. It's a track with insane top speeds and those speeds are achieved on the part of the circuit that's a public road and possibly rutted and not ideal at shedding water for a car going near 200mph.
What I don't get is no intermediate tires. You get wets or drys and that's it. And it seems like that choice was causing a lot of teams to send cars out on slicks in conditions not at all suited.
In reply to dclafleur :
I WISH it had been on Motortrend.
Every website that came up when I searched for the race showed that it would be streamed on Motortrend. I go to Motortrend, not a damn thing about Lemans - tried all kinds of search terms. Turns out LeMans was supposedly actually on Motortrend "Plus", which is something different. So, I go there and sign up and login, and find out it's NOT on Mototrend "Plus", they moved all their streaming to Discovery "+" (not regular, normal, everyday Discovery), so I go over THERE and sign up and login and cross my fingers and say a mantra or two, and.....find quite a few different videos of Lemans - 2023. And 2022, and so forth.
Not a single DAMN thing about Lemans 2024. No video, no link, no mention of it whatsoever, despite using numerous search terms.
If Motortrend actually DID stream Lemans 2024 live, I'd sure like to know where on the website it was, because the Motortrend.com website I searched didn't have a damn thing.
I had the race on in the garage Saturday while I was replacing all of the AC parts in my DD, stayed up and watched most of the rest of it. I was really looking forward to a good showing by the Caddies after Hyperpole, maybe next year. The Alpine Team really impressed me, they were running up at the front in a very new car, right up until the motors popped.
earlybroncoguy1 said:In reply to dclafleur :
I WISH it had been on Motortrend.
Every website that came up when I searched for the race showed that it would be streamed on Motortrend. I go to Motortrend, not a damn thing about Lemans - tried all kinds of search terms. Turns out LeMans was supposedly actually on Motortrend "Plus", which is something different. So, I go there and sign up and login, and find out it's NOT on Mototrend "Plus", they moved all their streaming to Discovery "+" (not regular, normal, everyday Discovery), so I go over THERE and sign up and login and cross my fingers and say a mantra or two, and.....find quite a few different videos of Lemans - 2023. And 2022, and so forth.
Not a single DAMN thing about Lemans 2024. No video, no link, no mention of it whatsoever, despite using numerous search terms.
If Motortrend actually DID stream Lemans 2024 live, I'd sure like to know where on the website it was, because the Motortrend.com website I searched didn't have a damn thing.
Yeah, I had the same issue. You just had to go to Motortrend and watch, regardless of what the live show was. Great UI by Discovery...
ok, learned something new. the energy level is actually showing the amount they're allowed to use per stint. The data comes from the torque sensors.
I can see it being easier to just monitor output at the axles rather than regulate fuel cell sizes (should a diesel engine come back) or have people get tricky with air restrictors.
In reply to earlybroncoguy1 :
All 24 hours were on HBOMax, I signed up for a free trial and will cancel today. Coverage was uninterrupted, except of course coverage was 95% the top class.
I tried searching on Motortrend like I did last year, but couldn't find it either.
earlybroncoguy1 said:In reply to dclafleur :
I WISH it had been on Motortrend.
Every website that came up when I searched for the race showed that it would be streamed on Motortrend. I go to Motortrend, not a damn thing about Lemans - tried all kinds of search terms. Turns out LeMans was supposedly actually on Motortrend "Plus", which is something different. So, I go there and sign up and login, and find out it's NOT on Mototrend "Plus", they moved all their streaming to Discovery "+" (not regular, normal, everyday Discovery), so I go over THERE and sign up and login and cross my fingers and say a mantra or two, and.....find quite a few different videos of Lemans - 2023. And 2022, and so forth.
Not a single DAMN thing about Lemans 2024. No video, no link, no mention of it whatsoever, despite using numerous search terms.
If Motortrend actually DID stream Lemans 2024 live, I'd sure like to know where on the website it was, because the Motortrend.com website I searched didn't have a damn thing.
"MotorTrend" is a Live TV channel that I get with YouTubeTV and they had flag to flag coverage of the race (with commercials).
The "energy" levels they mentioned is simply fuel guestimates. I'm guessing that's the vernacular they are forced to use to appease to the overlords. Since gas is such as dirty dirty word.
The 4 hour long caution was ridiculous. I thought this sport was supposed to brave all elements? I hate the risk averse culture we live in. The sport didn't become what it is from the trailblazers going "Hmm seems a little too risky, let's throttle back a bit." Nah, they pushed the limits.
The European coverage and production is not my favorite. They only focus on the top category, for some reason they don't have mics around the track picking up engine noises, and the commentary team just isn't exciting.
I miss the days of Speed and FS1 covering the race at least from a commentary standpoint when they actually sent the commentators over to Europe for the race, not the latter years of having them in the production studio. Thinking Justin Bell, Bob Varsha, Calvin Fish, etc. I know we were mostly stuck with the euro camera coverage but at least Speed and Fox would cut to onboard shots of the Vettes and other American teams.
I think the Caddy teams made some bad strategy calls that put them in a bad position early on in the race. I think Toyota would have had it had they not spun in the last hour.
JG Pasterjak said:Looks like rookies also have to meet a minimum drive time requirement before they are approved to race. And since there's only one race a year at LeMans their only opportunity is race weekend.
To race at LeMans you have to race at LeMans? Ok.
One thing can certainly be said, the F1 cost cap has a good impact on the WEC, and Le Mans. At least for one team.
In reply to DirtyBird222 :
Yeah, the production was a bit odd. Too many times there was a split screen to interview someone in pit lane and there would be no audio for the interview. And at other times, there was audio. Whatever.
I do enjoy having the entire race being broadcast stateside, though.
DirtyBird222 said:The 4 hour long caution was ridiculous. I thought this sport was supposed to brave all elements? I hate the risk averse culture we live in. The sport didn't become what it is from the trailblazers going "Hmm seems a little too risky, let's throttle back a bit." Nah, they pushed the limits.
Maybe they didn't want it to end up like COTA in 2014. Many were wiping out in turn 12. They red flagged the race after both Toyotas and a Porsche wiped out, plus 3 GT cars. And this was when 4WD wasn't limited to above 120 kph. Mulsanne was probably hairy in those conditions.
j_tso said:DirtyBird222 said:The 4 hour long caution was ridiculous. I thought this sport was supposed to brave all elements? I hate the risk averse culture we live in. The sport didn't become what it is from the trailblazers going "Hmm seems a little too risky, let's throttle back a bit." Nah, they pushed the limits.
Maybe they didn't want it to end up like COTA in 2014. Many were wiping out in turn 12. They red flagged the race after both Toyotas and a Porsche wiped out, plus 3 GT cars. And this was when 4WD wasn't limited to above 120 kph. Mulsanne was probably hairy in those conditions.
That's a risk you take when racing, no? If you're worried about wrecking, or the conditions, the rules don't forbid you from parking the car.
In reply to j_tso :
They could have slow zoned the area.
I think Michelin didn't bring enough tires. The on and off again rain was burning through sets early and often, and with no allocation teams were using new sets each time. 2 birds with one stone, prevent the tire supplier from an embarrassment and keep cars in the race for the final stretch. I don't think they needed that whole time, but once they claimed it was for safety because night + spray, they were stuck still morning. The precedent has been set now unfortunately.
In reply to ztnedman1 :
That makes sense. It rained harder later in the race than what was happening for maybe the last hour of that safety car parade after the sun came up...yet no safety car appeared.
How did Toyota take 2nd, I have watched some of the youtube highlights of the race and don't understand how they did it. Were the LMH cars just sand bagging during qualifying? Cool to see Nolan Seigel get a win, I like they he just jumps into any car. I hope to see more of him in Indycar but perhaps endurance racing is his calling.
In reply to trigun7469 :
I was listening to the Hyperpole broadcast and Anthony Davidson said that both the Ferraris and the Toyotas were not able to get in a clean lap in, all the classes ran at the same time.
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