Mostly the newer 6.7L, though I'm pretty sure I've seen some of the older one...I think that was 6.4L??
I've gone down this road so many times, with poor customers yelling and screaming about it, but never have been able to find objective evidence of "bad gas"...and I've tried, many times.
An aside on the mpg with cost/gal calcs: When I stopped to attempt to fill both tanks on the F-250 yesterday (they cut me off at $95), diesel and regular were both $3.599/gal.
In reply to Ransom :
I always get cut off from the pump at $99.99 or $100 even.
yupididit said:Klayfish said:Let's just hope this Ford diesel isn't like their Powerstroke motors. If it is, you have a very good chance of the HPFP lunching itself around the 60-100k mile mark and sending metal shavings all throughout your fuel system. Repair bill is around $10k. Have fun with that.
Because of contaminated fuel. Most diesel owners know to always use high traffic diesel fuel stations.
Even assuming fuel contamination is really that much of a concern in this country, if other manufacturers aren't having the same problems with the same components on their engines, then it is still ultimately a failure of the manufacturer and not of the fuel.
I just find it hard to believe that we're just now getting back to these numbers. In 1998 I was rolling a full-size extended cab that was consistently getting 26 and 27mpg on gasoline. with modern engine technology how are we sucking so bad?
I like my 97 7.3 very much, thank you. I get about 23mpg on the interstate, driving around 70/75. Can't believe how much these new trucks cost.
Bob the REAL oil guy. said:I just find it hard to believe that we're just now getting back to these numbers. In 1998 I was rolling a full-size extended cab that was consistently getting 26 and 27mpg on gasoline. with modern engine technology how are we sucking so bad?
demand for more horsepower and torque? Smog rules?
In reply to Driven5 :
Other major diesel truck engines lose their E36 M3 when water gets in the fuel as well.
I think the entire HPFP 6.7 thing is overblown, to be honest. But, we are the internet so....
In reply to yupididit :
The powerstrokes have some issues, for sure. Not as bad as the 3.0L dodge V6 diesel, thankfully.
In reply to yupididit :
If the incidence rate is not the same across the board, then that is not actually the problem.
In reply to Driven5 :
And I still don't think it'll be "very good chance" to happen to 6.7 PSD owners in that mileage range. I don't think fuel contamination is THAT much of a concern in the country. It's just something diesel owners look out for.
Bob the REAL oil guy. said:In reply to yupididit :
The powerstrokes have some issues, for sure. Not as bad as the 3.0L dodge V6 diesel, thankfully.
All these big diesels (all manufactures) got something to watch out for. And they all seem to be bigger than what they really are. Except for 6.4 and early 6.0, they were E36 M3 lmao
yupididit said:In reply to Driven5 :
And I still don't think it'll be "very good chance" to happen to 6.7 PSD owners in that mileage range. I don't think fuel contamination is THAT much of a concern in the country. It's just something diesel owners look out for.
Fuel dilution is fickle. The raw number means, well, not a whole lot. Two engines can both run 5% and have two completely different outcomes. Oil type, running conditions etc all play a large role. Some oils handle high amounts of fuels better than others. By that I mean there is still 5% of fuel, which isn't as efficient as oil at lubricating and cooling as oil, but it's not diluting the additives or thinning the viscosity. Other oils are very easily thinned out with fuel.
It's definitely ONE thing to watch for.
Bob the REAL oil guy. said:yupididit said:In reply to Driven5 :
And I still don't think it'll be "very good chance" to happen to 6.7 PSD owners in that mileage range. I don't think fuel contamination is THAT much of a concern in the country. It's just something diesel owners look out for.
Fuel dilution is fickle. The raw number means, well, not a whole lot. Two engines can both run 5% and have two completely different outcomes. Oil type, running conditions etc all play a large role. Some oils handle high amounts of fuels better than others. By that I mean there is still 5% of fuel, which isn't as efficient as oil at lubricating and cooling as oil, but it's not diluting the additives or thinning the viscosity. Other oils are very easily thinned out with fuel.
It's definitely ONE thing to watch for.
I remember some diesel guys were putting additional super fine micron filters underhood. Do you think the expense of this is worse the insurance?
In reply to Jaynen :
for fuel or engine? Fuel, worth it if you don't know the qualtiy of the fuel you're getting. Engine? Not really. the oil passages and clearances on most engines are larger than the micron ratings on most OE filters.
In reply to Bob the REAL oil guy. :
I think he means the fuel filters.
Bob the REAL oil guy. said:yupididit said:In reply to Driven5 :
And I still don't think it'll be "very good chance" to happen to 6.7 PSD owners in that mileage range. I don't think fuel contamination is THAT much of a concern in the country. It's just something diesel owners look out for.
Fuel dilution is fickle. The raw number means, well, not a whole lot. Two engines can both run 5% and have two completely different outcomes. Oil type, running conditions etc all play a large role. Some oils handle high amounts of fuels better than others. By that I mean there is still 5% of fuel, which isn't as efficient as oil at lubricating and cooling as oil, but it's not diluting the additives or thinning the viscosity. Other oils are very easily thinned out with fuel.
It's definitely ONE thing to watch for.
Fuel contaminated by water, sorry for not clarifying.
In reply to yupididit :
AH, yeah that's another one. There's some crappy fuel out there.
Fuel, I hear more about fuel pumps causing bad issues than anything oil related (like the comments about the fords above I think that was the high pressure fuel pumps yes?)
yupididit said:In reply to Driven5 :
Other major diesel truck engines lose their E36 M3 when water gets in the fuel as well.
I think the entire HPFP 6.7 thing is overblown, to be honest. But, we are the internet so....
I know you don't want to buy into it and all that. But you'll have to make your own conclusion. All I can tell you is that from many years of experience, almost every single last one that we see is Ford. Almost never, ever see Dodge, Chevy or even the big trucks like Cat, etc... They also happen around the same mileage range. I just don't see that as coincidence. Every time we've tested the fuel we can verify, it came back clean. Only "contaminated" fuel we've seen is a few Ford dealers who have a small water bottle that has a small mixture of water and fuel in it that they keep handy. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place and I feel bad for them, frankly.
Knurled. said:I hate Diesels with a passion, but I also agree with your cost analysis disdain.
Can't you just buy what you want to buy without trying to justify it? Because if you want to justify it on an expense, keeping your old vehicle that you already own and maintaining well ALWAYS wins. "I want something shiny and new that makes sounds like my farmer uncle's tractor" should be all the justification one needs. Hell, from what I see, 70-80% of the potential market could get by with a Corolla. You don't need 5000ft-lb of torque and two feet of ground clearance on chromed rims to go from your upper middle class suburb prepackaged housing development to your middle management job and back, but that is who is buying these things.
That’s your opinion and you have a right to it. I buy a truck for a daily driver because I work it. It hauled hometowns and tons of materials to build my house. Massive heavy hardwood Timbers. Granite steps that had the springs bottomed out and the tires flattened. It hauled my race car around the country, It launched and recovers my 28 foot cabin cruiser along with her pontoon boat. Plus trees landscaping material and cars and junk.
I spent about $1000 in repairs during its life plus regular maintenance but it never let me down fuel mileage was 17/ 19!
As for keeping what you have forever that doesn’t work either. I kept mine 20 years 371,000 miles right up to the time rust was becoming a serious issue and breakdowns came too frequent.
I paid something like $22,000 for. V8 auto 4x4 reg cab short box step side with a nice package
I sold it to the junk man for $300
my new one cost me $ 33,000 for basically the same thing. But I get an all aluminum body that saves 800 pounds over steel (and hopefully won’t rust) I get 22.4 mpg in city and 26 mpg on highway plus I can buy E85 for almost a dollar a gallon less than regular and my gas mileage only drops to 21.1 / 24/7. If I can be disciplined enough to keep my foot out of it. Darn hard to do when it feels like there’s an extra 100 horsepower there
grover said:Bob the REAL oil guy. said:I just find it hard to believe that we're just now getting back to these numbers. In 1998 I was rolling a full-size extended cab that was consistently getting 26 and 27mpg on gasoline. with modern engine technology how are we sucking so bad?
demand for more horsepower and torque? Smog rules?
Desire for trucks that need a ladder to get into the bed and more plush inside than a Bentley.
One major thing I have noted about trucks is that the newer they are, the less they feel like you are driving a hinge. Some of the new pickups feel like you're driving a CAR (well, maybe a van) in how you don't feel the frame flexing between the cab and the bed. That frame stiffness doesn't come light, and modern trucks no longer are made with 2x4 C-channel for frame material.
In 1998, the trucks were starting to make that transition from flexy noodle work vehicles to something less unpleasant. Drive a truck from the 80s with a manual trans, and if the clutch has any bit of shudder to it you will feel the frame bowing up and down from the forces. (If I recall correctly, Da Boss's 2004 K1500 weighs 800 pounds more than his '94 did. 5600lb empty vs. 4800lb empty. Both were extended cab shortbox models, 700-R4/4L60 and ten bolt rear, etc. 5.7 vs 4.8. The '04 is a HELL of a lot less unpleasant to drive)
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