3SGTE Supra? Please enable me, oh great enablers.

I am in the middle of a MKIII project, and I had a few questions. I have the slightly skewed view that I should be swapping in a 3SGTE. I know that TRD and SARD did a MKIV racer powered by one, and Top Secret has another MkIV with one in Japan with about 750 horsepower. My question is, what is the feasability of swapping one into a MkIII. Apparently there is someone in Barbados that was machining W58 bellhousings for the S series engine, but their website has not been updated in two years, and I get no response via e-mail. Would I be better off trying to work that swap, or should I be attempting to get a JDM Altezza 6-speed? So, who knows these engines?

I am spurred on in my project mainly by people on the Supraforums saying that nobody can get a MkIII below 2800 pounds. The aim is 2700, just to prove it can be done. I chose the 3S, because I think it would provide the lower weight I need, still have plenty of power, and move what weight there is behind the centerline of the front wheels. The starting point is a 1987 Hardtop, so it is comparatively stiff and light to begin with. project finishes with something along the lines of stitch welded chassis, carbon fiber everywhere, completely stripped, coilovers, 18X10 and 18X9 wheels, sticky rubber, and eventually, I want to use CTS-V Brembo calipers, coupled with Evo X rotors.. I have just over a year to get it done, as then it will be emissions exempt, and pretty much anything goes.

I don't need any extraneous stuff, basically the car will be nothing more than a mobile engine stand, as I would run the headlights, signals, taillights, and windscreen wipers on a separate circuit (who needs anything else), building a custom wiring harness. What are the most economical mods for the engine? How much or how little would it take to get somewhere around 350 to 400 horsepower (Is that thinking big enough for you Ben, or should I go for more)?

How much power can be made, realistically, with stock bottom end?

less pressing, but the killer question is...RPF1 or BBS LM?

Also, does anyone else think I am an idiot?

FMIC
3" exhaust
4" intake
AEM or Hydra Nemesis
TD06 20G turbo kit
Injectors

Power is done.

You lost me at Toyota... Ummmm...

GO FOR IT!!!!

Brian

Idiot, no.Caught up in the moment? Perhaps. Do you have the skills to pull this off--or know enough people to do this without breaking the bank?

Do you have the ability to stick with this, ONE project to its end?

Answers those honestly, and you'll have your answer.

Sorry to sound like a downer, but this is not a small project.

93celicaGT2 wrote: FMIC 3" exhaust 4" intake AEM or Hydra Nemesis TD06 20G turbo kit Injectors Power is done.

BTW, I looked at RP01...I don't think they will work on a MkIII. I can't find any wide enough, and I don't think the style works well with the car.

It is really no harder than swapping a 2JZ, and that is done all the time.

Do I know enough people? Not really. Can I do it without breaking the bank? Does any project budget ever end up realistic?

People do way bigger projects than this all the time. Where else would you see sucker fan corvettes, all wheel drive Tracers, Hybrid Fiero's and the like? Any of those projects was infinitely more difficult than mine.

Why not just turbocharge the 7M you already have?

its been done before. Don't we all just want to be individuals?

also...why not?

LS1. More power, more torque, less weight, less cost, and you'll be able to actually drive it.

Javelin wrote: LS1. More power, more torque, less weight, less cost, and you'll be able to actually drive it.

After this weekend, I want boost. It is almost as addictive as grip.

Besides, I didn't figure you for one to agree with 93Celica. We all know that only happens ONCE in a blue moon.

LS1 + Turbo. Hell, 5.3 LM7 + turbo.

Did I mention the local 67 Malibu that is actually street-driven all the time (I've been caught in Portland I-5 traffic with him) that looks bone-stock (brown metallic at that) and runs twin turbos on an LS1? Runs low 9's on E85.

hell yeah! awesome project. and yeah, a stock 3sgte can handle up to 400 or so horsepower

I think the idea here is to make a MKiii version of the JGTC 3sgte supras. They didn't run American V8s....

Think of it this way, when he's done, it'll be lighter than an AllTrac, and RWD. How exactly does that suck, again?

Joke: What's the difference between a 400hp Supra and an 800hp Supra?

They both run 12 sec. 1/4 miles!

sorry, had to post it, seemed applicable

Raze wrote: Joke: What's the difference between a 400hp Supra and an 800hp Supra? They both run 12 sec. 1/4 miles! sorry, had to post it, seemed applicable

TRAP SPEED!

93celicaGT2 wrote: I think the idea here is to make a MKiii version of the JGTC 3sgte supras. They didn't run American V8s.... Think of it this way, when he's done, it'll be lighter than an AllTrac, and RWD. How exactly does that suck, again?

Word!

Raze wrote: Joke: What's the difference between a 400hp Supra and an 800hp Supra? They both run 12 sec. 1/4 miles! sorry, had to post it, seemed applicable

Argh. That's not what's different, that's what's similar.

The joke either goes, "What's the difference between a 400hp Supra and a 1200hp Supra? --about two tenths" OR "How's a 400hp Supra like a 1200hp Supra? --they both run 12s"

Captain Pedantic... AWAY!!!

Okay, now that that jerk has left, this is a project that I've wanted to do myself, but I've never had the time/skills/resources to tackle it. I am 100% behind a 3S-GTE Mk III.

Enable...enable...enable..enable

Before you go off and reinvent the wheel, riddle me this: what's the weight difference between a turbo 7M and the 3SGTE? I'd imagine 2 fewer cylinders would be significant, but I've never seen the data.

That said, this is full of win. I'm rolling in the exact opposite direction myself (more cylinders, less boost) but I like where this is going.

What about the V12 out of a BMW with a Megasquirt, and make your own Japanese 850CSi?

LordTurbonia wrote: Before you go off and reinvent the wheel, riddle me this: what's the weight difference between a turbo 7M and the 3SGTE? I'd imagine 2 fewer cylinders would be significant, but I've never seen the data. That said, this is full of win. I'm rolling in the exact opposite direction myself (more cylinders, less boost) but I like where this is going.

It's not so much the weight difference, though i imagine it'd be at least 50lbs, it's the weight distribution. The JGTC cars did it soley to move the motor back. Makes it a "Mid-front" car instead of just straight up front. No part of this motor if done right should be in front of the front axle.

Got nothing for you, except this:

DO IT, DO IT, DO IT!

Awesome project. Good luck.

ReverendDexter wrote:

Raze wrote: Joke: What's the difference between a 400hp Supra and an 800hp Supra? They both run 12 sec. 1/4 miles! sorry, had to post it, seemed applicable

Argh. That's not what's *different*, that's what's *similar*. The joke either goes, "What's the difference between a 400hp Supra and a 1200hp Supra? --about two tenths" OR "How's a 400hp Supra like a 1200hp Supra? --they both run 12s" Captain Pedantic... AWAY!!! Okay, now that that jerk has left, this is a project that I've wanted to do myself, but I've never had the time/skills/resources to tackle it. I am 100% behind a 3S-GTE Mk III. Enable...enable...enable..enable

I was trying to be ironic but I agree, DO IT!

These guys might could help? Or is this the place you tried to get in touch with already?

http://www.toysport.com/webpages/techinfo/enginemod/3sgt_tech_notes.htm

(edit) No, sounds like this place is in CA. Hum. Did find some troubling posts on other forums. Do your research.

Why do I feel the need to suggest magic spinning triangles?
I don't even like rotaries all that much.