aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
10/22/15 8:00 a.m.

I have heard this is an issue on 4.0 V8s, I plan on looking at a 740 today as a last minute challenge entry, ad states "needs a tune up", owner adds it has a miss. Could the miss be the dreaded Vanos issue or just a vacuum leak.

Owner was not able to advise if miss was at idle or under load?

The_Jed
The_Jed UberDork
10/22/15 8:18 a.m.

My Mark VII idle/part throttle issues have been sorted and it runs great.

It's still waiting for a new owner.

2002maniac
2002maniac Dork
10/22/15 8:24 a.m.

My (non-vanos) 540i had a bad COP that caused a misfire for a bit. I think VANOS issues present themselves as a rattle.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/22/15 8:33 a.m.

A rattle is one type of VANOS problem, poor cold running and hesitation at low rpm is a different VANOS problem. If it's for the Challenge, neither would concern me much.

If the packaging of the engine is anything like my M5, simply changing spark plugs is a surprisingly serious job. I think a big part of that is the M5-specific intake, though.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
10/22/15 8:34 a.m.

In reply to The_Jed:

Is it in Gainesville for under $2k, if so let's talk

pimpm3
pimpm3 Dork
10/22/15 8:36 a.m.

What year is it? Isn't that engine known for the nikasil liner issue?

pimpm3
pimpm3 Dork
10/22/15 8:37 a.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: A rattle is one type of VANOS problem, poor cold running and hesitation at low rpm is a different VANOS problem. If it's for the Challenge, neither would concern me much. If the packaging of the engine is anything like my M5, simply changing spark plugs is a surprisingly serious job. I think a big part of that is the M5-specific intake, though.

540i plug changes are not difficult, it's the m5 intake. Coils burn out on those pretty often.

nedc
nedc New Reader
10/22/15 8:49 a.m.

4.0 (M60) doesn't have Vanos. The 4.4 (M62) found in post 95 740s do have Vanos.

oldtin
oldtin UberDork
10/22/15 8:51 a.m.

Could just be a bad coil

2002maniac
2002maniac Dork
10/22/15 9:01 a.m.
nedc wrote: 4.0 (M60) doesn't have Vanos. The 4.4 (M62) found in post 95 740s do have Vanos.

It's a 98

The_Jed
The_Jed UberDork
10/22/15 9:21 a.m.

In reply to aussiesmg:

Crap, sorry. I didn't realize you were already down there, I've been sequestered in a machine shop for long periods of time. It's in Pekin, IL, just Sta-Bil-ized and covered for the winter for $1k.

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
10/22/15 9:42 a.m.
The_Jed wrote: In reply to aussiesmg: Crap, sorry. I didn't realize you were already down there, I've been sequestered in a machine shop for long periods of time. It's in Pekin, IL, just Sta-Bil-ized and covered for the winter for $1k.

That leaves $1k in his budget to get you & the car down there, and you back home.

bmw88rider
bmw88rider GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/22/15 11:37 a.m.

Did some looking for you and the MAF is a common failure point and they are not horribly expensive at under $150. No Vanos in the 98. That wasn't till 99. So I would look at coils and MAF. Coils run about $50-60 a pop.

The_Jed
The_Jed UberDork
10/22/15 12:15 p.m.

In reply to petegossett:

I like the way you think. :)

Chris_V
Chris_V UberDork
10/22/15 1:46 p.m.
2002maniac wrote:
nedc wrote: 4.0 (M60) doesn't have Vanos. The 4.4 (M62) found in post 95 740s do have Vanos.
It's a 98

The '98 M62 engine does NOT have VANOS. That is only in the '99-01 M62TU engine. So no pre-facelift car ('95-98) has it. And VANOS going bad shows up as a rattle, but not a miss, in the '99-01 cars. A miss could be sparkplugs, coilpacks, or fuel injectors. None of which are expensive or hard to deal with.

nedc
nedc New Reader
10/22/15 2:55 p.m.

In reply to Chris_V: You're right...my bad. I'm an E32 guy, not really up on the E38s.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/22/15 6:03 p.m.
bmw88rider wrote: Did some looking for you and the MAF is a common failure point and they are not horribly expensive at under $150. No Vanos in the 98. That wasn't till 99. So I would look at coils and MAF. Coils run about $50-60 a pop.

The M5 guys blame the MAF for everything from a miss to dull paint. In my experience, they're wrong approximately 100% of the time. But it could happen.

There's a VW (I think) replacement that's inexpensive.

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