SVreX
MegaDork
4/3/15 6:01 p.m.
In reply to mad_machine:
I believe the video said there was a panel over the headlights and grill, not that they were not existent.
It also had the wing added since the street.
I said "modified with ease". I don't think it's too hard to remove a grill panel and a wing. Even if they were removed, it's still not too hard to put them back. There are VERY few cars running 175 mph that will ever see the streets again.
I also didn't see anywhere that said the car HAD to be trailered. It was, but that doesn't mean it had to be.
T.J.
PowerDork
4/3/15 6:58 p.m.
"I’m gonna hold that pedal down until my nut sack pops," he shrugged.
In reply to SVreX:
I'm Not missing the point. Fast is fast, and badass is badass. This qualifies as both. It's not any more or any less practical as any other car built that can run those numbers. But, the fact is, at this point in time, that an electric car cannot compete with an ICE car for any distance event. One day, maybe. But not now.
Electric vehicles have always been quick. My dad worked for an electric company in the 70's and they had an electric car that my dad got to use every once in a while. While the packaging has improved, they are still essentially where they were 40 years ago. That is my point, which you have missed completely.
except for magnets and maybe the windings.. there is little to be gotten out of the electric motors.. they are close to as efficient as they are going to get. The strides in battery power has gotten a -lot- better in the past 40 years.
Kind of disappointed it's a Brushless DC setup. I would have thought if you were truely going for an ultra high end setup you would use AC traction motors for both safety and traction control. I know you still have the inverter stack that can be dangerous but there are very easy safety measures that can solve that like an electro-magnetic locking system for the inverter compartment and other safety measures like that.
Having worked on and been around electric motors on locomotives for years, The problem has never been the electric motor part. It's always been the power supply feeding the motors. In a locomotive it's easy. Huge ICE motor driving a big alternator. For pure electric, not as easy. If batteries catch-up and can provide the juice needed, the ICE motor can be retired.
Vigo
PowerDork
4/4/15 8:04 a.m.
No counterargument to my comment? Very well.
SVreX
MegaDork
4/4/15 8:10 a.m.
The point is not fast, nor badass. The point is also not electric.
The point is the marriage between some of the best modern technologies available with the most iconic and beautiful forms ever developed in automotive history.
Then building a business that sells the best of the best to people who can afford it, while respecting both the classic metal AND the modern technologies.
There are not many people doing anything like that, and he is doing it by himself in his garage.
It's a prototype. He is still tweaking everything from bumper to bumper. I have no doubt it will continue to improve.
But even as a prototype, he has already done it. He has broken the records he targeted, and gotten the attention of the best in the business, in a chassis that meets no modern standard, and with the aerodynamics of a toaster oven.
He is offering something special and unique. As he noted, TESLAS are no longer rare. He is creating one-offs, with supercar performance, at a price point that makes them accessible.
I'm sorry he has failed to impress a few of you. Feel free to improve on it and do better.
bmw88rider wrote:
Kind of disappointed it's a Brushless DC setup. I would have thought if you were truely going for an ultra high end setup you would use AC traction motors for both safety and traction control. I know you still have the inverter stack that can be dangerous but there are very easy safety measures that can solve that like an electro-magnetic locking system for the inverter compartment and other safety measures like that.
Having worked on and been around electric motors on locomotives for years, The problem has never been the electric motor part. It's always been the power supply feeding the motors. In a locomotive it's easy. Huge ICE motor driving a big alternator. For pure electric, not as easy. If batteries catch-up and can provide the juice needed, the ICE motor can be retired.
To get anywhere near the performance of brushed DC motors and controller combos with an AC setup would take drastically more money.
Vigo wrote:
And before the tree-huggers go ape-shot... We've known electric motors were fast for almost as long as there has been electricity. That's not impressive. If you want to impress me, do that kind of speed and quickness all day long, then drive it home. That's what it takes
We need stupid rich people to buy crap like this to subsidize the development of a future in which your demands are met. That's how it works. So do you want it to happen, or not?
A $100k Z06 runs 2.9 secs 0-60, and will run at least 160mph at the Texas Mile, and can be driven to New York or Los Angeles right after that mile run, with the a/c blowing cold, and the radio blaring. That Mustang will go 45 miles if you drive it like grandma. That's not impressive at all.
Hell, the guy I instructed at Sebring last year in his bone-stock base model 2011 Vette w/auto ran 142mph at the Texas Mile, and then he drove it home to South Carolina.
I'm much more impressed with the guy who brought the Fiero to the Challenge a few years ago (who may be the guy from the EDRA mentioned in the article).
OIn reply to racerfink:
I believe that was Nashco.
Speaking of ev's, what happened to the electric Bigfoot?
SVreX
MegaDork
4/4/15 12:22 p.m.
racerfink wrote:
I'm much more impressed with the guy who brought the Fiero to the Challenge a few years ago (who may be the guy from the EDRA mentioned in the article).
Not even close.
The Challenge Fiero was not an EV. It was an "AWD" Hybrid. 2 separate engines- stock running the rear wheels, an electric motor running the fronts. No linkage between. It was built by our own Bryce Nash aka: "Nashco". Here is the build thread:
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-projects-and-project-cars/west-coast-2009-challenger-awd-fiero-hybrid/10519/page1/
It was a wonderful accomplishment on the budget/ parameters of the $2009 Challenge. But it had it's performance issues- it never broke out of the 14's at about 82 mph.
John Metric, on the other hand, was the guy in the article from the National Electric Drag Racing Association. His Fiero was a highly modified EV version. He held the record for the fastest electric street car (155 mph) until Mitch Medford smashed that record in this car at 174.2 mph.
"Sure, she's hot, but I won't berkeley her cuz she's not 'marriage material.'"
Oooookee doke! More for me.
Well, for you, a hot girl who has no endurance may be just what you need. Good luck with that.
Vigo
PowerDork
4/4/15 2:28 p.m.
A $100k Z06 runs 2.9 secs 0-60, and will run at least 160mph at the Texas Mile, and can be driven to New York or Los Angeles right after that mile run, with the a/c blowing cold, and the radio blaring.
Corvettes used to suck too. Pretty hard, if you'll recall. But people bought them because they liked the concept and had disposable income, and then they got better. That's how it works.
The only reason there is a Corvette with the stats you're posting is because for 60 years there has been a steady stream of people spending arguably stupid amounts of money on a highly compromised vehicle that does a poor job at many things and that nobody really needed. Sound familiar?
In reply to bmw88rider: In a way, batteries have caught up a little bit. The Tesla gets 200+ miles per charge. I'm fairly sure that a few people can buy E34s and W124s to be able to fit 120+ miles worth of batteries in them.
In reply to Vigo: And they've been making batteries for how long? Electric cars have been around for well over 100 years, and there has been no shortage of development on them.
The car only does 45 miles, and that's driving it gingerly. Do you think owners are going to drive it easy? Do you think potential owners will be ok with a 45 mile range?
svrex said it best YOU GOTTA SEE IT IN PERSON,, I DID and its a great car, limits or not, time will tell as development moves ahead!
the show aint over YET!
I've seen it too. It's an impressive car no doubt about.
I know the costs of the AC motors and controllers. I know they aren't cheap. I spent many years around the GE AC4400 and AC6000 locomotive platforms. I've also spent much time around the Dash 8 and Dash 9 platform which are both DC based.
Batteries are a ton better no doubt but they still are not quite there for mainstream.
I guess I just want to see someone take that jump and really build cool AC propulsion units. I know there are some out there already I just want to see more.
racerfink wrote:
Well, for you, a hot girl who has no endurance may be just what you need. Good luck with that.
Some of us are Sting. Some of us are Big Jim Slaid.
I welcome all of these one-offs. This is how this industry evolves and I'm impressed by it because I sure as hell can't do it.
I will always want the angry roar of internal combustion in my car but damn, that thing is beautiful.
Vigo
PowerDork
4/4/15 6:48 p.m.
Electric cars have been around for well over 100 years, and there has been no shortage of development on them.
Ah, but you're wrong. The development of electric drive components for transportation has been SEVERELY stunted by the conniving of establishment players. I mean, we live in a country where one rich guy can basically get all his crony congressmen to amend the constitution to undermine corn alcohol and outlaw the behavior of 85% of the population in the process. To say EV has had a fair shot in the market for 100 years couldn't be further from the truth.
YIKES , that electric mustang pulled into my driveway on Hudson bend rd,austin tx. yesterday, and backed out,went the other way!! black with green stripe, silent going up the street.
he shop must be close by here! sandeez cafe is only about a mile from here!