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novaderrik
novaderrik PowerDork
5/2/14 12:06 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: Disenting voice. Agreed that possibly never has the noodly appendage of the FSM come down and bestowed such divine natural talent on one driver. But on track the guy always was a tool. Cheating was his middle name and he had no problem risking his or others lives. I don't think he was ever as prepared as Schumacher either. When he first came to F1 he was seriously unfit and had to be lifted from the car, remember when he finally won in Brazil, he couldn't lift his arms above his head. Schumacher, while another tool on track was at least 110% fit all the time. I didn't wish any harm on either of them, and while they both added a lot to F1, they could have added so much more if they had been better people on track and didn't both have a list of questionable and down right mean/dangerous/stupid tricks added to their record. Senna also prevented Derek Warwick from joining him at Lotus meaning he missed out on his best shot in a front running car. Instead the drive went to Johnny Dumfries (AKA John Crichton-Stuart, 7th Marquess of Bute) a nice but really outclassed guy who had done nothing in the Junior formula. YEah, count me as NOT a fan, never was and never will be no matter how much revisionist history is out there.

from what i saw in the movie, he was in such bad shape after the Brazil race because his car was broken pretty much the whole race and he had to literally wrestle it thru every corner.

another obligatory Dale Earnhardt comparison, from 1996:

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2013/03/01/dislocated-sternum-couldnt-slow-earnhardt-in-96.html

Mike924
Mike924 Reader
5/2/14 12:18 p.m.

I know that earlier I placed Senna and Schumi in the same class. I did however fail to add one other world class driver that never one a championship, who was also taken away from the racing world too soon. That community member of car control. Canadian Gilles Villeneuve.

To be able to control the car the way those guys did was truly a site to behold. I am glad I was able to witness it. Yes Senna did some things that were not great, as did Schumi (stopping in the tunnel at Monaco during Quali!! but to finish first you first need to finish. Right?

Just saying.

Love this open forum.

Mike Kirby

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
5/2/14 12:35 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: Disenting voice. Agreed that possibly never has the noodly appendage of the FSM come down and bestowed such divine natural talent on one driver. But on track the guy always was a tool. Cheating was his middle name and he had no problem risking his or others lives. I don't think he was ever as prepared as Schumacher either. When he first came to F1 he was seriously unfit and had to be lifted from the car, remember when he finally won in Brazil, he couldn't lift his arms above his head. Schumacher, while another tool on track was at least 110% fit all the time. I didn't wish any harm on either of them, and while they both added a lot to F1, they could have added so much more if they had been better people on track and didn't both have a list of questionable and down right mean/dangerous/stupid tricks added to their record. Senna also prevented Derek Warwick from joining him at Lotus meaning he missed out on his best shot in a front running car. Instead the drive went to Johnny Dumfries (AKA John Crichton-Stuart, 7th Marquess of Bute) a nice but really outclassed guy who had done nothing in the Junior formula. YEah, count me as NOT a fan, never was and never will be no matter how much revisionist history is out there.

+eleventy-billion.

Hungary Bill
Hungary Bill GRM+ Memberand Dork
5/2/14 5:07 p.m.
Tom_Spangler wrote: I love this painting of Senna. It's titled "If Only": http://fineartamerica.com/featured/formula-alone-oleg-konin.html

that gave me the goosebumps.

If only...

Jeff
Jeff SuperDork
5/2/14 9:40 p.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
Adrian_Thompson wrote: Disenting voice. Agreed that possibly never has the noodly appendage of the FSM come down and bestowed such divine natural talent on one driver. But on track the guy always was a tool. Cheating was his middle name and he had no problem risking his or others lives. I don't think he was ever as prepared as Schumacher either. When he first came to F1 he was seriously unfit and had to be lifted from the car, remember when he finally won in Brazil, he couldn't lift his arms above his head. Schumacher, while another tool on track was at least 110% fit all the time. I didn't wish any harm on either of them, and while they both added a lot to F1, they could have added so much more if they had been better people on track and didn't both have a list of questionable and down right mean/dangerous/stupid tricks added to their record. Senna also prevented Derek Warwick from joining him at Lotus meaning he missed out on his best shot in a front running car. Instead the drive went to Johnny Dumfries (AKA John Crichton-Stuart, 7th Marquess of Bute) a nice but really outclassed guy who had done nothing in the Junior formula. YEah, count me as NOT a fan, never was and never will be no matter how much revisionist history is out there.
+eleventy-billion.

Put me on the same list.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
5/3/14 7:54 a.m.
Jeff wrote:
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
Adrian_Thompson wrote: Disenting voice. Agreed that possibly never has the noodly appendage of the FSM come down and bestowed such divine natural talent on one driver. But on track the guy always was a tool. Cheating was his middle name and he had no problem risking his or others lives. I don't think he was ever as prepared as Schumacher either. When he first came to F1 he was seriously unfit and had to be lifted from the car, remember when he finally won in Brazil, he couldn't lift his arms above his head. Schumacher, while another tool on track was at least 110% fit all the time. I didn't wish any harm on either of them, and while they both added a lot to F1, they could have added so much more if they had been better people on track and didn't both have a list of questionable and down right mean/dangerous/stupid tricks added to their record. Senna also prevented Derek Warwick from joining him at Lotus meaning he missed out on his best shot in a front running car. Instead the drive went to Johnny Dumfries (AKA John Crichton-Stuart, 7th Marquess of Bute) a nice but really outclassed guy who had done nothing in the Junior formula. YEah, count me as NOT a fan, never was and never will be no matter how much revisionist history is out there.
+eleventy-billion.
Put me on the same list.

No, I lived through the era, he was great then and is still the best I ever saw. Any driver who does not think he is capable of miracles is destined to mediocrity, Senna was not mediocre

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