ABS??

In reply to iceracer:

That leads to my initial comment in here, abs doesn't help you stop better.... ;)

Old GM abs sucks, even in my sister's 05(?) Grand Am.

The ABS in 7th gen Accords(wife-'03, mom-'07) and my father's '05 Dakota are decent.

some fwd cars have the brakes plumbed all weird so that if you pull the ABS fuse, you will get all sorts of freak braking stuff going on in slippery conditions. they don't plumb the fronts together and the rears together- they do a diagonal thing where the left front and right rear are tied together, and the right front and left rear are tied together.. the theory is that if the ABS fails, the car will slide straight on ice... the reality is that if the ABS fails, the car spins when you touch the brakes on ice..

In reply to novaderrik:

The problem with the spit system is the car will dart violently if a line blows out during a panic stop. I had this happen once, caught it and kept it in the lane(Trucker cut me off), but it was damn scary.

yamaha wrote: In reply to iceracer: That leads to my initial comment in here, abs doesn't help you stop better.... ;)

True.

novaderrik wrote: some fwd cars have the brakes plumbed all weird so that if you pull the ABS fuse, you will get all sorts of freak braking stuff going on in slippery conditions. they don't plumb the fronts together and the rears together- they do a diagonal thing where the left front and right rear are tied together, and the right front and left rear are tied together.. the theory is that if the ABS fails, the car will slide straight on ice... the reality is that if the ABS fails, the car spins when you touch the brakes on ice..

cars have had diagonal braking for years. My 1965 SAAB 96 had it. No ABS.

Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to novaderrik: The problem with the spit system is the car will dart violently if a line blows out during a panic stop. I had this happen once, caught it and kept it in the lane(Trucker cut me off), but it was damn scary.

Been there, done that. Blew a rear wheel cylinder on a 88 Hyundai Excel in a panic stop. Made for a very uncomfortible ride home

TCS in my manual Forte will kill the engine at slow speeds trying to stop wheelspin in snow. It's become a natural reaction to turn it off. Get in, plug in iphone, start car, turn off TCS, fasten seatbelt, check mirrors and go.

novaderrik wrote: some fwd cars have the brakes plumbed all weird so that if you pull the ABS fuse, you will get all sorts of freak braking stuff going on in slippery conditions. they don't plumb the fronts together and the rears together- they do a diagonal thing where the left front and right rear are tied together, and the right front and left rear are tied together.. the theory is that if the ABS fails, the car will slide straight on ice... the reality is that if the ABS fails, the car spins when you touch the brakes on ice..

please cite a credible source for that theory. i have been in the automotive brake systems world for 20 years and have never heard something even close to the level of retardedness. if you don't have a credible source, then please do the world a favor by not spreading retarded horse-E36 M3 that has zero basis in physical reality.

diagonal split hydraulic braking systems predate ABS by many years. the reason for diagonal split hydraulics is that in the event of a failure in one hydraulic circuit, the vehicle still has 50% of its total braking capacity. directional control is up to the driver.