m4ff3w
m4ff3w GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/31/08 12:42 a.m.

Now that MS is working in the Fiat, it is time to really nail down the AFRs. 13.2 is where I want to be high in the RPM range, correct?

Hal
Hal HalfDork
8/31/08 7:28 p.m.

I think that would be a minimum. I would be happier (feel safer) with 12:1.

m4ff3w
m4ff3w GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/1/08 10:08 a.m.

Really? 12:1 on a NA engine?

bluej
bluej Reader
9/1/08 12:17 p.m.

I always remembered hearing that about 12.5:1 was powerfull but safe for an NA. please take with a huge grain of salt.

dan_efi
dan_efi New Reader
9/1/08 12:31 p.m.

My stock compression (9.2:1) 2.0L SOHC 8-valve Ford engine has no issues at 13.5 AFR. I have ran it as rich as 11.0 but that was only a safe tune until I could concentrate on whittling it down to where I wanted. It is a very tough engine though and I haven't pushed the timing advance too far yet.

I'm not familiar with Fiat engines, but I would think 13.2 would work great but you may want to work your way towards that as I did. Get a safe tune, then keep leaning out whatever part of the datalog happens to be richest until your whole WOT pull is where you want it. I like the VE analyzer in MegaLogViewer but you really have to run a pile of datalogs through it to narrow down your table. Setting "Cell Change" to hard or very hard will prevent overshooting the VE values. A few datalogs and a calculator can accomplish the same thing if you are comfortable with that.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt HalfDork
9/1/08 1:26 p.m.

Our usual rule of thumb is between 12.6:1 and 13.0:1; this seems to make best power and is a safe place to be on an NA car.

Paul_VR6
Paul_VR6 New Reader
9/3/08 8:12 a.m.

I always tune customer cars to 12.5:1 until I hit the dyno.

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