In the late 70's buddy dude and I were camping and 2 ladies asked if we wanted to cruise around and smoke special cigarettes together.
On a country road the front right tire blew out and the lady that owned the $500 Pontiac LeMans type car drove us into a ditch and sunk the car into the mud.
We were laughing until we realized the seriousness of it all. Shoot - that sucked............
I like good tires I guess.
Captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:Don't overthink the paint. It's not a single stage and the base coat is fine. Wet sand the clear and polish on a small section to see if that will bring it back. If it does, do the entire car then ceramic treat it yourself. If I doesn't, then wet sand and mask the entire thing and hit with rattle can 2k, then wet sand, this time with 1000, 1500 and 2k then ceramic coat. Paint is pretty simple stuff.
That is not a base coat clear coat. It's the old GM TPA ( Thermal Plastic Acrylic) Jaguar bought the System from GM.
But the melting process was extremely close to the melting point of the lead used to smooth the body together.
Nearly every paint job had to be reworked at the factory and some 3-4 times.
The finish you see is the result of buffing. In fact, a few spots I buffed too far and went to the primer.
Face it. A $500 car driven by a new teenage driver is likely to be damaged. If they realize that car with a decent paint job is worth many many times what I have in it and treat it accordingly. I'll show them how to repaint it.
In reply to frenchyd :
It's cool that she's excited, that's great. Your last sentence is why you should have a new spare vs "originality" though.
You can use 2K clear over TPA, The point being that you don't need to do anything regarding to the color, so the smoothing to the body will not be affected. All that would need to be done to get rid of the imperfections on the surface coat would be to knock it down and apply a 2K clear, which can be done over TPA. It would change how the paint is cared for in the future, as you wouldn't be able to buff it to glory (but if it's thinning in parts, then those days are getting numbered anyways) but the gloss and shine will be easy to maintain and restore at the sacrifice of some of the incredible depth that simply doesn't exist in multi state paint.
I LOL'd because it really isn't about the money. what you want more than anything is for your granddaughter to have an authentic spare tire. Why? So she can put it on when she has a flat, only to have it blow out the first time it sees 5 minutes of freeway speed? Frenchy gonna French.
In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
With 4 brand new tires, a history of 38 years never having a flat. You focus on that possibility rather than the thousand other things likely to go wrong?
Talk about obsessive!
Captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:You can use 2K clear over TPA, The point being that you don't need to do anything regarding to the color, so the smoothing to the body will not be affected. All that would need to be done to get rid of the imperfections on the surface coat would be to knock it down and apply a 2K clear, which can be done over TPA. It would change how the paint is cared for in the future, as you wouldn't be able to buff it to glory (but if it's thinning in parts, then those days are getting numbered anyways) but the gloss and shine will be easy to maintain and restore at the sacrifice of some of the incredible depth that simply doesn't exist in multi state paint.
Yes all that is possible. But the real purpose of this is to get her to and from college.
Maybe I'm a really slow painter but at nearly 75 years old I'd probably have to put 200+ hours in to fix the paint.
I already work a job that demands a 60 hour work week. Finding 200 hours more would take well past the end of classes in the summer.
The reality is a 16 year old driver is likely to get into an accident in the next couple of years.
Plus it's a 38 year old car. I know that I'll be fixing at least a few things for her.
I'm right there with him on the fresh spare tire. I have teenage girls and their spare tires have been used. They seem to somehow manage to run over E36 M3 that other people avoid. The campus security guys have changed flat tires for them and they wind up driving around on the spare until I see them next to get it all fixed properly.
Datsun310Guy said:In the late 70's buddy dude and I were camping and 2 ladies asked if we wanted to cruise around and smoke special cigarettes together.
On a country road the front right tire blew out and the lady that owned the $500 Pontiac LeMans type car drove us into a ditch and sunk the car into the mud.
We were laughing until we realized the seriousness of it all. Shoot - that sucked............
I like good tires I guess.
Well 4 brand new tires should be fine. And if not the history of never having a flat in 38 years. Should provide additional comfort.
Finally everyone assumes a tire that age will blow up into a burning ball of flame the second it's pulled out of the trunk. (OK, a little exaggeration ;-) )
I'm trying to remember the last time I saw someone on the side of the road changing a flat. For 12&1/2 hours a day I'm on the roads. I honestly can't remember a single one.
The reality is a 16 year old is far more likely to get in an accident than have a flat on 4 new tires. At least that's what insurance companies feel.
frenchyd said:In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
With 4 brand new tires, a history of 38 years never having a flat. You focus on that possibility rather than the thousand other things likely to go wrong?
Talk about obsessive!
YOU have gone 38 years without a flat. That's not relative to what she's done at all. That's like me assuming I won't get one because you never have. If you can't afford it, let me know, I'll send you the $150.
You're worried about cracked paint vs a spare. It's like the Honda civics with unpainted body kits, that have gone 15k with no oil change because of no money. Amazing.
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:Frenchy gonna French.
We need this to be one of our coined thread key words. Like berkeley, Bob Costas, E36 M3.........
If the original tire is that valuable, sell it to someone doing a concurs level restoration and use the profit to buy your granddaughter something that she'll actually be able to use. Would you be mad if she destroyed the pristine spare by driving on it, at that point it'd just be some 40 year old tire if it doesn't blow out.
As a broke 18 year old, my cheap ass grandfather gave me tires for my first vehicle that he'd stored in the attic above his garage for God knows how long. Got about 3 months out of them before coming out from work to 3 flats.
Swap out the damn spare.
(As my 02 excursion still has its original spare in the back)
Love me some classic jag sedan. Beautiful cars when they are working. But for a new young driver with no $$$ its kinda like given the kindergarten kids a box of hand grenades to play with. The learning curve is kinda steep and the operating cost rival super-yachts (they kinda are).
I don't own a Jag because I know I could not keep one on the road and I don't consider myself to be a total newb when it comes to mechanical stuff.
Steve_Jones said:frenchyd said:In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
With 4 brand new tires, a history of 38 years never having a flat. You focus on that possibility rather than the thousand other things likely to go wrong?
Talk about obsessive!
YOU have gone 38 years without a flat. That's not relative to what she's done at all. That's like me assuming I won't get one because you never have. If you can't afford it, let me know, I'll send you the $150.
You're worried about cracked paint vs a spare. It's like the Honda civics with unpainted body kits, that have gone 15k with no oil change because of no money. Amazing.
He's had flats. He's had high speed blowouts. He's just never used the spare because he plugs the tire instead.
NOHOME said:Love me some classic jag sedan. Beautiful cars when they are working. But for a new young driver with no $$$ its kinda like given the kindergarten kids a box of hand grenades to play with. The learning curve is kinda steep and the operating cost rival super-yachts (they kinda are).
I don't own a Jag because I know I could not keep one on the road and I don't consider myself to be a total newb when it comes to mechanical stuff.
That's a valid point. I know I'll be getting a lot of calls. Maybe I should have got her the EV you guys all poo poo'd
Actually the mechanical bits on Jaguars are remarkably well made. The problems tend to be things like HVAC systems or the required maintenance of an SU fuel pump( clean the points every oil change, takes 3 minutes) or the need to drop a few drops of oil in the distributor at 60,000 miles
Stuff where if you read the owners manual and follow it you simply won't have a problem.
Keith Tanner said:Steve_Jones said:frenchyd said:In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
With 4 brand new tires, a history of 38 years never having a flat. You focus on that possibility rather than the thousand other things likely to go wrong?
Talk about obsessive!
YOU have gone 38 years without a flat. That's not relative to what she's done at all. That's like me assuming I won't get one because you never have. If you can't afford it, let me know, I'll send you the $150.
You're worried about cracked paint vs a spare. It's like the Honda civics with unpainted body kits, that have gone 15k with no oil change because of no money. Amazing.
He's had flats. He's had high speed blowouts. He's just never used the spare because he plugs the tire instead.
One blow out. At a 100 mph on an old cheap recapped tire on the trailer.
So I'll tell her not to go that fast. ;-)
Oh, as for plugging a tire instead of using the spare? You bet! I can do that in less than 5 minutes. Using the spare? 1/2 Hour? I don't know I've never done it but it's massively harder.
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