DaewooOfDeath
DaewooOfDeath SuperDork
11/3/20 1:32 a.m.

https://www.jegs.com/p/G-Force-Transmissions/G-Force-5-Speed-T5-Transmission/1343711/10002/-1

One of dem thar ^

If they are as strong as the ad claims, that seems like a very light way to put an overdrive behind a healthy V8. 

Ether59 (Forum Supporter)
Ether59 (Forum Supporter) New Reader
11/3/20 8:01 a.m.

 

Had one in a track mustang that saw a lot of road race duty.  3rd went out on me and went with a TKO.   YMMV   

 

Kip

 

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/3/20 1:09 p.m.

Does anyone make gearkits for the T5 anymore?  

GPz11 (Forum Supporter)
GPz11 (Forum Supporter) Reader
11/3/20 1:25 p.m.

I'm running a T5z in my XR4Ti with mild 302. Been working fine with many track days under it's belt.

https://www.jegs.com/i/Ford-Performance/397/M-7003-Z/10002/-1

jimbbski
jimbbski SuperDork
11/3/20 2:43 p.m.

I ran a stock Cobra Spec. T5 in my race Mustang from 1995-2006. I both raced it and open tracked it. In 2003 I did blow up 3rd gear. I replaced the counter shaft gear cluster and and 3rd gear on the main shaft and I was back in business.

Having a good aftermarket shifter with stops for the lever is important!. I have some friends that used one in Lemons and they blew up two stock Chevy V8 models. They then went with the G Force gear set and blew that up.  On the latter issue I can't say if they installed the gears right or set up the pre-load correctly all of which may have contributed to the failure. They also did not use an aftermarket shifter and having multiple drivers with various skill levels of driving a stick  I think would be a contributing factor in the failure as well.   

I would like to think that the aftermarket gear sets are stronger but there is also the trans case to consider. GForce has a stronger case for sale so I would consider using one of those with their gear set.   At this point with the cost of all these  parts you may as well upgrade to the TKO or similar.

The only reason I would stay with the T5 is weight. If you're building a car as light as possible them the 50 lb weight savings the T5 gives you over any other options could sway your decision.  

GPz11 (Forum Supporter)
GPz11 (Forum Supporter) Reader
11/3/20 3:00 p.m.

Ah, I am running a MGW shifter in my car.

Patientzero
Patientzero HalfDork
11/3/20 3:07 p.m.

You can buy a brand new TKO600 for less money.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
11/3/20 8:24 p.m.
Patientzero said:

You can buy a brand new TKO600 for less money.

Not every trans tunnel can fit the much physically bigger tko without serious metal surgery compared to the puny T5.

03Panther
03Panther Dork
11/3/20 8:33 p.m.
Patientzero said:

You can buy a brand new TKO600 for less money.

A 2 second search turned up $1999 for the T5, and $2599 for the TKO-600. Both are out of my price frame, so I have no dog in this hunt, but...

 

BTW, I looked up your profile, and VERY nice Mustang!

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
11/3/20 8:35 p.m.

In reply to 03Panther :

The gforce T5 is $3400 or so depending on the 9310(?) output shaft.

Patientzero
Patientzero HalfDork
11/3/20 8:36 p.m.

In reply to Ranger50 :

I wouldn't say "much bigger".  They are nearly the same.

water pump

Patientzero
Patientzero HalfDork
11/3/20 8:37 p.m.

In reply to 03Panther :

The link the orginal poster put in his first post has the G-Force T5 at $3300.

03Panther
03Panther Dork
11/3/20 8:47 p.m.
Patientzero said:

In reply to 03Panther :

The link the orginal poster put in his first post has the G-Force T5 at $3300.

Ouch! I just clicked on the 2'nd jegs link. Quite a difference... what does G-force do to justify that price hike?

03Panther
03Panther Dork
11/3/20 8:49 p.m.

In reply to Patientzero :

Again, just my curiosity, but I can see where the top trans is bigger right about where old fords tunnel started getting really small.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
11/3/20 9:09 p.m.

In reply to 03Panther :

Looks like a Camaro T5.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
11/3/20 9:10 p.m.
03Panther said:
Patientzero said:

In reply to 03Panther :

The link the orginal poster put in his first post has the G-Force T5 at $3300.

Ouch! I just clicked on the 2'nd jegs link. Quite a difference... what does G-force do to justify that price hike?

Straight cut gears, different ratios, different materials... plus I think it has the upgraded case.

03Panther
03Panther Dork
11/3/20 9:21 p.m.

While we are talking T5's, and I know very little 'bout them, I have a 96 camaro 3800 V6 trans:

I know:

its a 5 speed.

the Series II rwd in the f-bodies uses the 60 deg bellhousing to block pattern I.L.O. the older BOP pattern the 231/3.8 had.

I've heard:

The bellhousing to trans. pattern is the same as the ford.

the bellhousing tilts the transmission "x" deg toward the drivers side for the shifter to line up well.

So, I would need a ford Mod. 4.6 belhousing to bolt this trans to a 03 4.6? Use Mod clutch, etc.? Or are the imput shafts different?

Patientzero
Patientzero HalfDork
11/3/20 9:44 p.m.

At minimum you would need the 4.6 bellhousing but honestly I don't think they are interchangeable.  I suspect the input shaft is different and the output shaft is likely different too.  The easy solution would be to buy a T45 or 3650 from a mod motor car, they are cheap and either would be stronger than the T5.

matthewmcl (Forum Supporter)
matthewmcl (Forum Supporter) Reader
11/3/20 9:57 p.m.

I have an 07 Mustang T5 sitting in my garage if you need spline counts or anything.

03Panther
03Panther Dork
11/3/20 10:55 p.m.

I also have a T56 from behind a LT1. The 6 speeds would be cool, but 5 and 6 are kinda weak (improved on magnums!), and would it really be an advantage over the 5 speed for a daily driver (spirited) The super low first and double OD would be nice, in theroy, but any advantage in the real world? I could prolly buy a 5 speed (used) ready to bolt up by the time I got everthing I needed to adapt the t56 I already have?

DaewooOfDeath
DaewooOfDeath SuperDork
11/3/20 11:58 p.m.

I think the TKO600 is probably the way to go. I had kind of forgotten about it and gotten tunnel vision for the T5 (light but weak) and the T56 (strong but heavy). 

03Panther
03Panther Dork
11/4/20 12:41 a.m.

Since I helped sidetrack your post... what are you building. I/ve wanted to do something with my T56 for a while now, but the original plan was a V8 Astro van, and that's just not going to happen. Now I have a few different Ford thoughts!

DaewooOfDeath
DaewooOfDeath SuperDork
11/4/20 3:54 a.m.
03Panther said:

Since I helped sidetrack your post... what are you building. I/ve wanted to do something with my T56 for a while now, but the original plan was a V8 Astro van, and that's just not going to happen. Now I have a few different Ford thoughts!

I'm shopping for a Hyundai Genesis Coupe right now. The idea is to eventually V8 swap it. 

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
11/4/20 11:22 a.m.
jimbbski said:

....Having a good aftermarket shifter with stops for the lever is important!....

 

Please explain this more.

I have a T5 (heavily modified of course) in my 65 Corvair.  Needless to say, the shifting is not in the stock location and feeds off of a shaft out of the front (back) of the trans.  Getting gears can be a bit strange sometimes (usually reverse at startup) but I want to know if I should be concerned about shifting too hard / fast.

jimbbski
jimbbski SuperDork
11/4/20 2:00 p.m.

In reply to aircooled :

When someone drives their T5 equiped car and with any kind of sprit one tends to shift harder when they also want to shift faster. On a T5 that can "over shift" the linkage

and over extend the blocker rings, bend the shift forks, etc. Nothing good in other words.

  

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