mndsm
mndsm SuperDork
4/13/11 11:26 a.m.

More specifically, their coilovers. A friend of mine found these guys online, and they offer a pretty attractive package. Pillowball mounts in the front, decent spring rates, etc etc. You can even get all the shock dyno info as well. They're also priced about a grand under the competition. The only problem is- I've never heard of them. The Subaru guys know them pretty well, and they seem to get positive reviews via NASIOC and the like, but i've not heard a word from the Mazdaspeed3 crowd, and this worries me a little. I'd love to grab a set if they're legit, but i'm not one to put janky parts on a very important section of the car.

what say the masses?

http://www.fortune-auto.net/

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
4/13/11 11:36 a.m.

Pretty milk toast spring rates for your app.

I suspect that the variants on the cars winning in the Redline series have little in common with what you're seeing on the budget end of the spectrum.

KSport is guilty of the same sort of advertising. They like to make it sound that the $900 Kontrol Pros are all you need to go out and dominate all things Time Attack. Until you research and see what the real racers are using from them have something like a ~$4500msrp, and the Kontrol Pros are really best at dominating hard parking competitions.

However, i'm not convinced that FA really is quite as "bad." They do have and have published shock dynos of their setups, and they look consistent at least, and they do seem to be dedicated to improving their product.

Just remember, you get what you pay for, and these will probably be a good buy and well worth the ~$1000 i think they go for. (Sound about right in terms of price?)

The larger valve in them would be more beneficial to a smooth ride than to quick transitions for autox. I would be pretty confident in buying them for a cheap decent "compromise" setup. Could you get better performance for the same price at a hit to ride quality? Likely.

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
4/13/11 11:52 a.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Pretty milk toast spring rates for your app.

Dude...it's milquetoast. (not to be the grammar nazi, but that always bothers me.)

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
4/13/11 11:57 a.m.
Maroon92 wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Pretty milk toast spring rates for your app.
Dude...it's milquetoast. (not to be the grammar nazi, but that always bothers me.)

Hrm... had to look it up. Interesting. I had no idea.

Milk toast's soft blandness served as inspiration for the name of the timid and ineffectual comic strip character Caspar Milquetoast, drawn by H. T. Webster from 1924 to 1952.[7] Thus, the term "milquetoast" entered the language as the label for a timid, shrinking, apologetic person.
MCarp22
MCarp22 HalfDork
4/13/11 1:22 p.m.
mndsm wrote: what say the masses?

More generic stuff from taiwan / china.

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: They do have and have published shock dynos of their setups, and they look consistent at least

The shock dyno that they posted is not very good.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
4/13/11 1:30 p.m.
MCarp22 wrote:
mndsm wrote: what say the masses?
More generic stuff from taiwan / china.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: They do have and have published shock dynos of their setups, and they look consistent at least
The shock dyno that they posted is not very good.

I was wondering about that... i'm not real sure what i'm looking at most of the time when i look at those.

I was impressed that they actually bothered to dyno their shocks, unlike some other companies...

mndsm
mndsm SuperDork
4/13/11 1:39 p.m.
MCarp22 wrote:
mndsm wrote: what say the masses?
More generic stuff from taiwan / china.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: They do have and have published shock dynos of their setups, and they look consistent at least
The shock dyno that they posted is not very good.

I had a feeling. Oh well, back to 2200$ KW's lol.

MCarp22
MCarp22 HalfDork
4/13/11 2:21 p.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: I was wondering about that... i'm not real sure what i'm looking at most of the time when i look at those.

I've learned to read them pretty well. The dyno plot on their site isin't averaged, so you can see the hysteresis, and there's a ton of it, especially at low speeds. To make a turbo analogy, think of it like turbo lag.

You can also see the range of adjustment. Half the "clicks" of adjustment don't do anything. The other half make a very small change to rebound force. Compression does not change at all. The range of rebound adjustment is much smaller than, say, a Koni sport.

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