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Woody (Forum Supportum)
Woody (Forum Supportum) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/13/22 6:58 p.m.

Bring a Trailer rejected me.

I'm surprised, and a little bummed.

 

 

I've owned this car for over three years, drove it for 18,000 miles over that time, and I had been thinking about listing it for a few months now, but I was slow to pull the trigger because I kept reading minor horror stories about BAT being slow and a little hard to deal with. From what I've read, it seems fairly common for it to take as long as 45 days from the time you submit your car, to the time that the auction goes live, sellers are often asked to add additional photos from different angles, and that BAT will try to get you to lower your reserve.

Last weekend, I finally sat down and submitted the car. I answered all their questions, provided a complete description of the car, pointed out every possible flaw that I could think of, included descriptions of all the work done on it and attached receipts (timing belt, water pump, lower control arms and ball joints, transmission fluid change, AWD system service, brakes, tires, etc.), and even included oil test reports from Blackstone Laboratories from samples taken from four consecutive oil changes, that indicate that the engine is in excellent condition. I attached over a hundred photos, and a clean AutoCheck report from when I purchased it from the second owner. I requested a modest (four figure) reserve, which was substantially below the car's insured value.

In the description, I noted that 1998 was the first year for the V70R, and that it is estimated that only 500 were sold in the country that year. It was also the last year with a throttle cable (before they switched to the troublesome and pricey to fix drive-by-wire system), has the four speed automatic that is generally found to be more reliable than the five speed auto that came along two years later, and features the simpler and more reliable AWD system than the one in the second generation cars. I also mentioned that MSRP on this car was around $43,000 when it was new.

I fully expected to hear back from them in a week or two with a request for more photos, and to see if I would be willing to adjust my reserve price downward.

Much to my surprise, I received an email reply less than 24 hours after my submission:

"Sorry, but your submission was not accepted.

Thank you for submitting your 1998 Volvo V70R to us for consideration.

We reviewed your submission and the details of your vehicle closely and while we appreciate its merits, unfortunately we are unable to offer to list it at this time. We are very selective with the vehicles we accept for auction and while we wish that we could list them all, given the volume of submissions we receive and the nature of our curation process, we simply can't.

We appreciate that you considered BaT Auctions and wish you best of luck with the sale. We hope to have the opportunity to work with you in the future.

Thanks,

The Bring a Trailer Team"

 

I'm not really sure why this happened. It's a good looking, fairly rare and desirable, well maintained and documented AWD Turbo Wagon, with 127k miles, no rust, and no accident history. I'm the third owner (3 years), and the original female owner kept it for two decades.

 

This is a great looking car that you could quickly, and very comfortably, drive across the country tomorrow.

 

The only real snag that I can see in my submission is that when my photos were uploaded, they ended up in a random, illogical order. They were transferred as a group, and I don't know why they were shuffled in the process, but I also thought I would be able sort and reorder them like you can when you set up a Craigslist ad or eBay auction. That was not the case here, and I wasn't given that option before sending it in. BAT does follow up with an email almost immediately and gives you a chance to ad information and ask questions, so I did note that I wanted a chance to reorder my photos, but didn't get a response to that, just the denial the next day.

Aside from the photo thing, the only other negative that I can think of is that maybe I was too honest in the description of the flaws. I believe in full disclosure, and the last thing I want to do is go through a long auction process and then have the winning bidder find something that he wasn't expecting when he comes to pick up the car. Some of the stuff that I noted could go unnoticed for weeks or longer if I didn't point it out.

Before submitting the car, I had searched BAT (including completed listings), and found a bunch of second generation (P2) V70Rs, but there were no active listings for a P80 car (1998, 1999, 2000), and there were no completed auctions for one in the recent past.

 

Where did I go wrong?

bearmtnmartin (Forum Supporter)
bearmtnmartin (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
9/13/22 7:05 p.m.

Its not a very rare unicorn that will pull in six figures and a commensurate commission. They have become a money factory and not a "look at this really cool car" site.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/13/22 7:08 p.m.

In reply to Woody (Forum Supportum) :

If you go and look at every V70R BaT has ever sold, there's only been 2 P80's in history, and both were near perfect specimens. It's not you, it's them and the car. For whatever reason the 1st gen just isn't that desirable for them to sell.

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter)
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) Dork
9/13/22 7:45 p.m.

With all that prep, you should be able to put together a really killer For Sale listing on a hundred other platforms and avoid the exorbitant commissions that BAT demands.

My buddy sold the cleanest E36 M3 I've ever seen on BaT. It got the same sale price that it would have anywhere else, and the commision made it a worse deal for him. 

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 UltraDork
9/13/22 7:48 p.m.

Yet they E36 M3post 3rd gen 4Runners --- and I/my son own one and are happy to see values soaring. But not unique, only a little special, and often super high mileage. Sorry man- yours deserved a shot. 

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones SuperDork
9/13/22 8:21 p.m.
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:

With all that prep, you should be able to put together a really killer For Sale listing on a hundred other platforms and avoid the exorbitant commissions that BAT demands.

My buddy sold the cleanest E36 M3 I've ever seen on BaT. It got the same sale price that it would have anywhere else, and the commision made it a worse deal for him. 

It's $99 to $250 for the seller. That's far from exorbitant. 

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/13/22 8:32 p.m.
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:

With all that prep, you should be able to put together a really killer For Sale listing on a hundred other platforms and avoid the exorbitant commissions that BAT demands.

My buddy sold the cleanest E36 M3 I've ever seen on BaT. It got the same sale price that it would have anywhere else, and the commision made it a worse deal for him. 

It's a problem that I read that as the cleanest poop you've ever seen.

Driven5
Driven5 UberDork
9/13/22 8:36 p.m.

At this point, I'd consider getting rejected by BAT as a GRM badge of honor.

ea_sport
ea_sport Reader
9/13/22 8:39 p.m.

It happened to me last year when I tried to sell my clean, low mileage C5 Z06. I ended up selling it for a really good price on Cars&Bids with $0 listing fee (they were having promo) and $0 commission. Since you have all of the documentation ready just contact them and see what happens.

MiniDave
MiniDave Reader
9/13/22 9:00 p.m.

In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :

There is only a $100 listing fee to sell on BaT, there is no seller's commission.

Edit: I didn't know they had raised the sellers fee to $250? Is that only for expensive cars over $100K?

Maybe try Cars and Bids?

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/13/22 9:21 p.m.

BaT has limited auction slots and far more submissisons than that.  They can't run every car they might want to, they have to pick and choose.  It's not always just about highest selling value either (although I'm sure that's a part of it, they are in business to make money after all), there are other considerations.  You don't want to run all Porsche GT3s -- even if they had that many submissions they'd lose a lot of their audience when all the cars were the same, and those cars would compete against each other for bidders, bringing the overall total down.

So to some extent it's the luck of the draw, whether or not your car gets in depends on what else shows up in their submission box that week.  Friend of a friend submitted an original BMW M1 and was declined -- and that's a half million dollar car!

 

Opti
Opti Dork
9/13/22 10:45 p.m.

I second or third the cars and bids option. I check both sites regularly, and I think the cars that are coming up and somewhat sought after but aren't old or really hot yet I see more on cars and bids.

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones SuperDork
9/13/22 10:57 p.m.

In reply to MiniDave :

$99 if you take the photos, $250 they send someone to take them. 

grover
grover GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/13/22 11:36 p.m.

In reply to Steve_Jones :

As a former pro photographer that number is depressing. 

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
9/14/22 12:18 a.m.

BaT has jumped the shark.  I've sold two cars on there, and nothing I have now would be worth their time.  It's changed.  It's not for you.  It's them, not you. Look at the name....  I remember when you NEEDED a trailer.  Now it's for millionaires that have a fleet of climate controlled auto haulers and drivers at their command.  
 

Cars and Bids appears to be the new venue for the average car enthusiast.  
 

And BaTs fees are great for the seller.  It's the buyer that pays.  If you want to buy on BaT plan on having deep pockets and lots of extra for their fees.  

kb58
kb58 SuperDork
9/14/22 1:31 a.m.
bearmtnmartin (Forum Supporter) said:

... They have become a money factory and not a "look at this really cool car" site.

^This. They're a business, entirely profit-driven. They list approximately 100 new cars a day, so your car was up against their typical entries. They apparently calculated that they could make a higher commission off a higher-end sports car that was submitted at the same time. As was mentioned, it was also probably a bad week to have a Volvo station wagon, per their internal reasoning.

You can try again later this year, because as mentioned, it is sort of random chance. My sob story is that my first auction went great but the bidder backed out due to a failed fuel line. Second time it was listed, it went for just over half as much. Point being, times change, the crowd that week changes, and then mix in some random chance, and you never know how it'll go.

kb58
kb58 SuperDork
9/14/22 1:33 a.m.
MiniDave said:

In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :

There is only a $100 listing fee to sell on BaT, there is no seller's commission.

Edit: I didn't know they had raised the sellers fee to $250? Is that only for expensive cars over $100K?

Maybe try Cars and Bids?

It's $250 if you go for their "premium listing" and it includes pro pictures.

RabidBullFrog
RabidBullFrog New Reader
9/14/22 3:48 a.m.

Did you see what popped up on BaT today? Stick shift but over 200k on the clock. When I saw your post here it was like deja vu seeing the same car, color and all.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-volvo-v70r-5/

Woody (Forum Supportum)
Woody (Forum Supportum) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/14/22 6:41 a.m.
RabidBullFrog said:

Did you see what popped up on BaT today? Stick shift but over 200k on the clock. When I saw your post here it was like deja vu seeing the same car, color and all.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-volvo-v70r-5/

"...acquired by the seller in 2022...." angry

 

Loweguy5
Loweguy5 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/14/22 7:35 a.m.

Having seen and driven this car I'm angry at BAT for you.  It's really a nice car and certainly special enough to generate some interest.

I regularly watch BAT and Cars and Bids and it doesn't seem like cars bring the money on CAB like they do on BAT.  Just my personal opinion.

Perhaps try the old school routes of CL and FB marketplace?  There are some good Volvo groups on FB too, maybe someone there would see the value?

You'll wade through a bunch of children trying to give you 5k but perhaps one guy emerges that is closer to reasonable.  I sold my 330ci ZHP on FB after a ton of frustration.  One guy emerged who wasn't willing to pay what I wanted but he knew what the car was and was less insulting than the rest.  We arrived at a number I could live with.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
9/14/22 8:10 a.m.

Take a breath Woody, the club is bigger than you think.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
9/14/22 9:58 a.m.
914Driver said:

Take a breath Woody, the club is bigger than you think.

I'm in it, too. 

earlybroncoguy1
earlybroncoguy1 Reader
9/14/22 10:15 a.m.

*Raises hand*

I'm actually OK with being "rejected" - BAT used to be a small, cool site with interesting offerings - but it got to big for it's britches. A victim of it's own success. It's only a matter of time before the masses move on to something else, and it fades back into relative obscurity. Not the good kind of obscurity, where there's neat stuff for good prices that hardly anyone knows about, but sad obscurity, where they try to pretend they're still cool and popular, but....they're not.

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/22 10:17 a.m.
Woody (Forum Supportum) said:
RabidBullFrog said:

Did you see what popped up on BaT today? Stick shift but over 200k on the clock. When I saw your post here it was like deja vu seeing the same car, color and all.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-volvo-v70r-5/

"...acquired by the seller in 2022...." angry

 

Its like HGTV, it brought out all the wannabe flippers. 

kb58
kb58 SuperDork
9/14/22 10:34 a.m.
RabidBullFrog said:

Did you see what popped up on BaT today? Stick shift but over 200k on the clock. When I saw your post here it was like deja vu seeing the same car, color and all.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-volvo-v70r-5/

It's possible that's why his car was rejected, BaT thinking "Oh, we already have one of those this week." Give it another try in a few months, if the sour taste is gone by then, that is.

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