procainestart
procainestart Dork
9/29/10 2:32 p.m.

Saab has a long history of buying engines from other manufacturers, e.g., Ford and Triumph. Looks like they're returning to this practice...

From http://www.thelocal.se/29312/20100929/

Saab deal puts BMW engines under the hood Germany’s BMW will supply engines to Swedish automaker Saab starting in 2012, the company announced on Wednesday.

Under the terms of the deal, which was signed on Wednesday at Saab headquarters in Trollhättan in western Sweden, BMW will supply Saab with 4-cylinder 1.6 liter turbocharged gasoline engines, to be placed in next-generation Saab vehicles.

"BMW's engines and their fuel savings innovations are widely regarded as a benchmark in the premium segment," Saab Automobile CEO Jan Åke Jonsson said in a statement.

"We look forward to integrating this technology into our next-generation vehicles in a true Saab way."

The sales and marketing director at BMW Ian Roberston said: "We are delighted to support Saab with our engine expertise.

"Our engines have a clear lead over the competition when it comes to fuel consumption, emissions and performance."

Victor Muller, head of Dutch automaker Spyker Cars, which rescued Saab from bankruptcy earlier this year, hailed the deal as a “major step” in putting Saab back on the road toward profitability.

He also left the door open for deepening Saab’s relationship with BMW.

"Both parties are open to explore further opportunities as part of this relationship in the future," Muller said in a statement.

Spyker was a small specialist luxury sportscar maker before it bought Saab for close to $400 million dollars from US group General Motors when GM was in severe trouble during the financial crisis. It intends to re-launch the Saab brand.

Spyker, which has never made a profit since being set up in 2000, said in August that Saab had sold 10,500 cars in the first half of 2010, down from 24,300 in the same period in 2009.

Saab is associated with high-range cars and Spyker has set sales targets of 45,000 cars for 2010, moving up to 80,000 units next year, with plans calling for Saab to turn a profit in 2012 with output of 120,000 cars.

GM owned Saab for 20 years but the Swedish company never made a profit during that period. In 2009, output plunged to 38,756 vehicles from 93,000 in 2008.

integraguy
integraguy Dork
9/29/10 3:04 p.m.

Isn't this the same engine used in the MINI ?

nderwater
nderwater HalfDork
9/29/10 3:20 p.m.

Yup, either the same engine, or the next generation which will appear by 2012.

xfactoraeg
xfactoraeg New Reader
9/29/10 3:25 p.m.

20 years without making a profit

81gtv6
81gtv6 GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/29/10 3:43 p.m.
xfactoraeg wrote: 20 years without making a profit

There have been rumors that GM played with the numbers to make it look tht way.

spritedriver28
spritedriver28 New Reader
9/29/10 4:15 p.m.

Kinda funny the shell game manufacturers play with engines. The engine in my '06 MINI is built by Chrysler in Brazil.

nderwater
nderwater HalfDork
9/29/10 8:06 p.m.

Rover was short on cash and partnered with Chrysler to split the cost of developing a new range of small engines, and BMW bought Rover soon after. The current MINI 1.6's were co-developed with Peugeot. It really is a strange biz.

LainfordExpress
LainfordExpress New Reader
9/29/10 8:12 p.m.

What is truly amazing is how much of car is not "made" buy the car company at all. Tons of stuff comes from suppliers; headlights, seats, stereos, window regulators, more. About the only thing the car companies actually make anymore are chassis, engine, transmission and body panels. All the stuff that attaches to the car comes from elsewhere.

Raze
Raze Dork
9/29/10 8:36 p.m.

there's a reason US corporations don't like to show profit in their foreign firms, it's called tax avoidance due to higher effective tax rates, but you only pay them on your profits: http://tippie.uiowa.edu/accounting/mcgladrey/workingpapers/02-22.pdf for some background...

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/30/10 9:47 a.m.

well, look at the new Hyundai engines.. one of them is used in Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Chrysler, and MB (at least was slated for MB when they owned Chrysler) how is that for strange bedfellows?

RossD
RossD Dork
9/30/10 10:03 a.m.

In reply to LainfordExpress:

Lots of the manufacturers don't make all their transmissions. ZF, Allison, Getrag, Aisin...

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 SuperDork
9/30/10 10:07 a.m.
RossD wrote: In reply to LainfordExpress: Lots of the manufacturers don't make all their transmissions. ZF, Allison, Getrag, Aisin...

don't forget Tremec, GM, and can't forget Honda for at least trying to build a decent auto.

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