BRZ LS2

I guess Miata wasn't this guys answer.. BRZ LS2 swap

LoL @ lsxtv mentioning KW as an american company......they're German aren't they?

As far as the car itself, meh. Just another swap to feed the fanbois.

yamaha wrote: As far as the car itself, meh. Just another swap to feed the fanbois.

Seriously? I think you're the only person on this board who wouldn't get giddy if offered a chance to drive it..

That is one way to fix the lack of engine/intake noise.

BRZ vs Camaro

In reply to mr2peak:

I actually wouldn't want to.

yamaha wrote: In reply to mr2peak: I actually wouldn't want to.

If they offer, accept and I'll drive it! :)

Rule 34.1, if it exists, there is a LS swap of it.

Lol-wheres my "The Mercedes diesel Miata has better engine location" picture when I need it?

They actually got this done in good time, about 8 months start to finish.

Following their build on FB kinda sucked since it is a stupid way to present tech, but the job got done. They make it seem easy.

Keep in mind that the stock rear end is still in this car. That V8 is going to be busy.

At the bottom of the page, there is also this link....

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/lsx-swapped-miata-terrorizes-targa-newfoundland-rally/

mr2peak wrote:

yamaha wrote: As far as the car itself, meh. Just another swap to feed the fanbois.

Seriously? I think you're the only person on this board who wouldn't get giddy if offered a chance to drive it..

You can add me to that list.

But i guess they get some congratulations for taking 8 months to swap in a V8 that makes less power than a "Stage 1" bolt on turbo kit for this car in the first place.

I think I'd rather have a LSx RX8, but would gladly own either.

Swank Force One wrote:

mr2peak wrote:

yamaha wrote: As far as the car itself, meh. Just another swap to feed the fanbois.

Seriously? I think you're the only person on this board who wouldn't get giddy if offered a chance to drive it..

You can add me to that list. But i guess they get some congratulations for taking 8 months to swap in a V8 that makes less power than a "Stage 1" bolt on turbo kit for this car in the first place.

Really? THIS shows a max of 276hp on a "stage 1". Considering the LS2 makes 400fwhp, you couldexpect to see at least 320+ at the wheels.

Bobzilla wrote:

Swank Force One wrote:

mr2peak wrote:

yamaha wrote: As far as the car itself, meh. Just another swap to feed the fanbois.

Seriously? I think you're the only person on this board who wouldn't get giddy if offered a chance to drive it..

You can add me to that list. But i guess they get some congratulations for taking 8 months to swap in a V8 that makes less power than a "Stage 1" bolt on turbo kit for this car in the first place.

Really? THIS shows a max of 276hp on a "stage 1". Considering the LS2 makes 400fwhp, you couldexpect to see at least 320+ at the wheels.

If we're going to take a half-assed turbo kit made by one of the E36 M3tiest turbo kit-producing companies in the world for purposes of the comparison, then i'm going to assume that this shop dumped a stock L98 in their BRZ.

http://fullblownmotorsports.com/shopmake/scion/f-rs/turbo-kits-components/full-blown-frs-stage-1-premium-turbo-kit

They're making all KINDS of power on these kits. They aren't the only ones, either.

I mean, a V8 swap is cool and everything, but it doesn't make me want to drive it. I get it, some people want tractor torque in their small lightweight sports car. Count me out.

In reply to Bobzilla: This was made just because of you.....

You do realize that an L98 is a first generation SBC. It hasn't been in production for 22 years. The LSx are not tractor torque engines in the least bit, and in the truck world they caught a lot of flak because they have to be rev'd more than the engines tehy replaced.

Look, I don't give a E36 M3 about the Frisbee, I just don't get the LSx hate.

Bobzilla wrote: You do realize that an L98 is a first generation SBC. It hasn't been in production for 22 years. The LSx are not tractor torque engines in the least bit, and in the truck world they caught a lot of flak because they have to be rev'd more than the engines tehy replaced. Look, I don't give a E36 M3 about the Frisbee, I just don't get the LSx hate.

I know what the L98 is. That's the point.

It's not LSX hate.

I just don't understand spending all that money on something that would be massively outperformed by an off the shelf bolt on kit. That's all.

I can tell you which one is less likely to lose a lot of power and blow up in track day conditions

The Miata forum had the same meh response. Which is partly to be expected there, because the BRZ isn't a Miata. But why isn't there more giddiness here about it? Small, nimble sports car. Torque. If an LS3 Miata is good, why not an LS2 BRZ?

I've driven Miatas with a pretty wide variety of powerplants, from mild superchargers to big turbos. And you can't compare a high-hp turbo engine to a big V8. Totally different character and way of getting the job done. There's a reason I drive to work in a turbo Miata but reach for the keys of the V8 when I want to go fast.

I love the idea.

In reply to Bobzilla:

I don't care if it works, fits, yada yada yada.....its just getting quite old.

Swank Force One wrote:

Bobzilla wrote: You do realize that an L98 is a first generation SBC. It hasn't been in production for 22 years. The LSx are not tractor torque engines in the least bit, and in the truck world they caught a lot of flak because they have to be rev'd more than the engines tehy replaced. Look, I don't give a E36 M3 about the Frisbee, I just don't get the LSx hate.

I know what the L98 is. That's the point. It's not LSX hate. I just don't understand spending all that money on something that would be massively outperformed by an off the shelf bolt on kit. That's all.

Massively outperformed? I don't know which LS they used, but you can the LS3 that comes with 480 off the shelf.

Plus, I would have serious doubts of the stock BRZ motor lasting at that power level anywhere near as long as GM Built LS3........especially if it's getting beat on at the track.

EDIT: In the title, not sure why they didn't use a better variant, but the essentials of the swap are the same.

The Miata is a bit different... i don't want it any more, but i had a friggin' BLAST riding in the Targa car with you, Keith. Very bizarre feeling that and hearing the noises in that car. I liked it.

But we're talking about a car that can be purchased for under $4k in the Miata. Not a $25k-$30k car with a warranty you're about to ruin in a huge way. Then spend all the money. (Not that a turbo kit wouldn't void the warranty. )

Then you REALLY have to consider "Well hell, i probably should have just bought a Z06 for LESS money."

I'm all for huge power in small cars. I guess i just tend to avoid swaps when at all possible, and considering the FA20 already in the BRZ/FRS has made over 600whp without being opened, a swap isn't anything that interests me.

Obviously it interests enough people, and that's great, because options are great. I think it's cool that it exists, it just goes back to "Doesn't stir my loins."

z31maniac wrote:

Swank Force One wrote:

Bobzilla wrote: You do realize that an L98 is a first generation SBC. It hasn't been in production for 22 years. The LSx are not tractor torque engines in the least bit, and in the truck world they caught a lot of flak because they have to be rev'd more than the engines tehy replaced. Look, I don't give a E36 M3 about the Frisbee, I just don't get the LSx hate.

I know what the L98 is. That's the point. It's not LSX hate. I just don't understand spending all that money on something that would be massively outperformed by an off the shelf bolt on kit. That's all.

Massively outperformed? I don't know which LS they used, but you can the LS3 that comes with 480 off the shelf. Plus, I would have serious doubts of the stock BRZ motor lasting at that power level anywhere near as long as GM Built LS3........especially if it's getting beat on at the track. EDIT: In the title, not sure why they didn't use a better variant, but the essentials of the swap are the same.

Fair enough. I was just comparing to the car in the article.

I'm sure with enough money, you could have a 1500-2000whp LSx variant in the thing.

I would drive the pants off that thing. It's pretty much what I wish my GTO had been: about 1000lbs lighter. If Chevy actually took a cue from this and scaled the Camaro down to this size, I might actually buy one.

In reply to t25torx:

They can't scale them down, otherwise where would people put their mullet?