Tim Suddard wrote: Didn't see it mentioned, but we had Steven Cole Smith there to get the story for the next issue of GRM.
Any idea when you'll get your hands on one to see what it drives like?
Tim Suddard wrote: Didn't see it mentioned, but we had Steven Cole Smith there to get the story for the next issue of GRM.
Any idea when you'll get your hands on one to see what it drives like?
I think it looks ok, except the rear, but I will reserve judgement until I see one in person. In pictures at least, it doesn't scream come buy me, and the interior still seems to be just ok. Once again, I need to see one. However, I think the performance might make up for all of it's other shortcomings. Although it doesn't appear to be a big leap from the C6, which i think looked almost perfect in 'Vette terms.
In reply to carguy123, I was never a huge fan of the C5 because of the big rear. I think I'm a minority in that sentiment. And to quote someone on the MSN comment section, the new rear looks like cheap hooker. 
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote:
Everyone shouting "Camaro Tail Lights," these look nothing like Camaro tail lights. Unless to you "every shape but round" is the same.
They barely even look remotely similar.
^ Agreed. But that's not going to slow down the anti-GM crowd in the least.
Bobzilla wrote: ^ Agreed. But that's not going to slow down the anti-GM crowd in the least.
No, but all the extra weight will. 
Bring the new (and the old) vette down to 7/8 or 3/4 scale and it would be just about perfect.
I don't think an extra 100lbs is going to destroy the car. It's not like the C6 was a fat heavy pig that didn't perform. Almost all cars are getting heavier, it's just what happens. It's no big deal.
That said, i think the car looks hideous.
I still think it's a cool car overall, simply because it exists, but it's seriously hideous looking. Has nothing to do with being a GM, and nothing to do with the Camaro-taillights-that-aren't-really-camaro taillights.
Ok well check that... it looks hot from one angle to me, at least.
Javelin wrote:Bobzilla wrote: ^ Agreed. But that's not going to slow down the anti-GM crowd in the least.No, but all the extra weight will.
Still haven't seen anything published showing it heavier.
It's beautiful, except for one thing...the grill. It's like a swimsuit model wearing braces.
Bobzilla wrote:Javelin wrote:Still haven't seen anything published showing it heavier.Bobzilla wrote: ^ Agreed. But that's not going to slow down the anti-GM crowd in the least.No, but all the extra weight will.
+1 everything I have seen says around ~3,200lbs which is heavier then they initially wanted but still around the same as the old one and it has grown in size a little.
I don't know about the styling I will wait to see one in person cause if there is one thing I have learned it is pictures tell me very little about how I will feel about the styling.
I want this one as much as I've wanted every version since I was 10. A lot.
New Viper + GTR + Camaro's rear = C7
Klayfish wrote: It's beautiful, except for one thing...the grill. It's like a swimsuit model wearing braces.
Yeah I think it would look better with black mesh there. Not many cars can look good with the "chrome dicer" grille.
I don't like it. It looks too... 80's cartoon boyish? Idk, just doesn't do it for me.
Bobzilla wrote: ^ Agreed. But that's not going to slow down the anti-GM crowd in the least.
Ain't that the truth. I don't troll the new Miata/Corolla intros nit-picking what I don't like, so how about those guys staying out of the Corvette thread?
The C7 is fantastic BTW.
Swank Force One wrote: I don't think an extra 100lbs is going to destroy the car. It's not like the C6 was a fat heavy pig that didn't perform. Almost all cars are getting heavier, it's just what happens. It's no big deal.
No, it is a big deal. Other cars are getting lighter. They managed to shave a ton of weight in other places on the C7, too. The problem is they added it all back in, and then some. On the base car, being slightly heavier doesn't really mean anything (especially with more power), but the catch is going to kill the Z06, etc.
The Z06 was so much lighter than the base due to the aluminum frame (99 lbs lighter) plus the other weight savings (magnesium cradles, etc). Now that the base Vette has all of that (and then some) and is heavier, that means the Z06 will be some ~250 lbs or more heavier, if it gets all the same weight added back in that the Stingray gets (likely since it's in things like the interior, LED's, heavier LT1, more PCM's, etc). That's not going to be good, no matter how you slice it.
forzav12 wrote:Bobzilla wrote: ^ Agreed. But that's not going to slow down the anti-GM crowd in the least.Ain't that the truth. I don't troll the new Miata/Corolla intros nit-picking what I don't like, so how about those guys staying out of the Corvette thread?
I think the big thing that people are missing here is that the "anti-GM" crowd nitpicks pretty much any car. Unfortunately, the GM Cheerleading Squad takes offense at it only when it's directed to a GM product. Heaven forbid we hold possibly the best sports car made by a domestic company to a higher standard than we do a soulless appliance that nobody gives a E36 M3 about.
PS: berkeley the new corolla, and berkeley the NC Miata until the 2013 refresh.
How could anyone not like this? It looks like an American Ferrari.
Bobzilla wrote:Javelin wrote:Still haven't seen anything published showing it heavier.Bobzilla wrote: ^ Agreed. But that's not going to slow down the anti-GM crowd in the least.No, but all the extra weight will.
The article said: The car will be no featherweight, though, because additional standard features and hardware to meet new regulations added back some of the weight that was trimmed. In fact, the weight of the base car "will be slightly up," Juechter says.
The way I see it, GM could have done MUCH worse.....I can at least see design cues of corvettes past, unlike the c4-c5-c6, and actually don't mind the rest. Its still not on par styling wise as the Ford GT, but coming from GM....it isn't bad.
The thing that has always garnered the most complaints from people is the interior......I honestly hope GM has listened to these critics finally.
Bobzilla wrote:Javelin wrote:Still haven't seen anything published showing it heavier.Bobzilla wrote: ^ Agreed. But that's not going to slow down the anti-GM crowd in the least.No, but all the extra weight will.
And just to corroborate from more than one source...
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/revealed-2014-chevrolet-corvette-c7.html
Edmund's reporter on-site at NAIAS said: Weight management was a priority during development. Assembly of the new aluminum chassis starts with hydroformed side sills that are joined to hollow sand castings front and rear, die-cast inner tunnel structures, stamped bulkheads and extruded crash sections at both ends. These segments are variously bonded, bolted and laser- and MIG-welded together to form a structure that is 99 pounds lighter than and 57 percent stiffer in torsion than the steel C6 chassis. Hollow sand-cast aluminum subframes and front lower control arms also cut weight, and say good-bye to the previous balsa wood-core floor panels — they've been replaced with fiberglass preforms with a synthetic foam core. Further weight savings are found in the carbon-fiber hood and roof panel — still removable, of course. The front fenders, door skins, rear-quarter panels and deck continue to be made from fiberglass sheet molding compound (SMC). This is still a Corvette, after all. Despite the mass reductions above, the C7 Corvette will be heavier than the C6 due to its laundry list of new hardware and improved crashworthiness. GM was not specific about curb weight other than acknowledging that, yes, the C7's curb weight will be higher than the current car. Our guess is that the new car will gain about 100 pounds over the C6. Weight distribution is not yet finalized, but we expect a slight rearward move to 49/51 percent front/rear.
I like it but I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Vettes. It was the first car I really remember loooking for on the street as a kid.
For those with more play money than me, GM put a press kit on eBay to benefit cancer:
http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=americancancersociety
Javelin wrote:Bobzilla wrote:And just to corroborate from more than one source... http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/revealed-2014-chevrolet-corvette-c7.htmlJavelin wrote:Still haven't seen anything published showing it heavier.Bobzilla wrote: ^ Agreed. But that's not going to slow down the anti-GM crowd in the least.No, but all the extra weight will.Edmund's reporter on-site at NAIAS said: Weight management was a priority during development. Assembly of the new aluminum chassis starts with hydroformed side sills that are joined to hollow sand castings front and rear, die-cast inner tunnel structures, stamped bulkheads and extruded crash sections at both ends. These segments are variously bonded, bolted and laser- and MIG-welded together to form a structure that is 99 pounds lighter than and 57 percent stiffer in torsion than the steel C6 chassis. Hollow sand-cast aluminum subframes and front lower control arms also cut weight, and say good-bye to the previous balsa wood-core floor panels — they've been replaced with fiberglass preforms with a synthetic foam core. Further weight savings are found in the carbon-fiber hood and roof panel — still removable, of course. The front fenders, door skins, rear-quarter panels and deck continue to be made from fiberglass sheet molding compound (SMC). This is still a Corvette, after all. Despite the mass reductions above, the C7 Corvette will be heavier than the C6 due to its laundry list of new hardware and improved crashworthiness. GM was not specific about curb weight other than acknowledging that, yes, the C7's curb weight will be higher than the current car. Our guess is that the new car will gain about 100 pounds over the C6. Weight distribution is not yet finalized, but we expect a slight rearward move to 49/51 percent front/rear.
So they don't know either.... hence the "guess" in there.
Javelin, Is it then impossible that they would have a way to lighten the z06 over the base car? Why would there be no way to shave weight off the base car? Ahh hell, let's leave the "it will ruin the z06" speculation, and just deal with it when the z06 actually comes out. Speculating about near future things seems like a complete waste of time.
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