California--the state with perhaps the most automotive enthusiasts per capita--recently reinstated "fix-it" tickets for vehicles with exhaust systems suspected of being over the state's limit. The SEMA-supported legislation gives owners 30 days to correct the issue after being issued a 'fix-it" ticket, restoring due process.
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California Bill To Amend 2018 Exhaust Noise Law Signed …
I really, really hate that they exclude motorcycles and the diesel trucks.
I do like that they are cracking down a bit. You can still make a decent noise at 95db.
Sorry, but as much as I love a nice exhaust note, including PP rotaries, so many take that to extremes though and it's unnecessary outside of a racetrack.
This is where dual mode exhausts really shine or electric cutouts.
This is good news. I’m so tired of V6 Mustangs and Challengers blowing my ears out.
In reply to Stefan :
The existing regulations on motorcycle exhausts are stricter than this-
A noise limit of 92 decibels applies to any motorcycle manufactured before 1970.
A noise limit of 88 decibels applies to motorcycles manufactured after 1969 and before 1973; 86 decibels applies to motorcycles manufactured after 1972 and before 1975; 83 decibels applies to motorcycles manufactured after 1974 and before 1986; 80 decibels applies to motorcycles manufactured after 1985.
Motorcycles registered in the state that are manufactured on or after 2013 or have an aftermarket exhaust system manufactured on or after 2013 must have the federal EPA noise emission label affixed to it in order to be operated, used, or parked in the state
Shoot that's a higher limit than Laguna Seca, although I suspect it is measured at a closer distance.
Cooter said:In reply to Stefan :
....A noise limit of 92 decibels applies to any motorcycle manufactured before 1970.
A noise limit of 88 decibels applies to motorcycles manufactured after 1969 and before 1973; 86 decibels applies to motorcycles manufactured after 1972 and before 1975; 83 decibels applies to motorcycles manufactured after 1974 and before 1986; 80 decibels applies to motorcycles manufactured after 1985.
Motorcycles registered in the state that are manufactured on or after 2013 or have an aftermarket exhaust system manufactured on or after 2013 must have the federal EPA noise emission label affixed to it in order to be operated, used, or parked in the state
Hahahahahahahah... you made a funny.
Having a law, and ENFORCING a law, are completely different realities (especially in this case).
This change is good news in the sense of it being less-bad news than expected. In other words, having to fight back against something that shouldn't need to be fought if noone was berkeleying with it in the first place. Great success, truly a windfall of salvage!
When i went to CA i was most bothered by people pollution. Luckily CA has an answer for that too, legislating all sorts of knicks and knacks so that nowhere near enough new housing is built, leaving mostly the bottom 9/10ths of the top 1% (the part that still pay income taxes) able to move in. Brilliant.
As a Texan i have NO IDEA how many dB are coming out of the back of any of the cars i've ever had, ever. IGNORANT TEXAN!
Those noise limits for motorcycles are hilarious.
In reply to aircooled :
noone enforces noise ordinances on harley's.. Sitting outside at a local pub is horrible in the summer... everytime there is a red light you gotta yell to your tablemates thanks to so many people saving lives with their loud pipes..
How do we go about getting the bro dozers banned? I want 95db on those A-holes.
In reply to aircooled :
Changing the subject by deleting part of the comment doesn't change the facts.
The discussion was about the fact that motorcycles were excluded from the 95db limit that autos were held to.
I responded by proving that motorcycles have a lower db threshold already written into the law, which is what the conversation was about.
Enforcement is another story entirely, as both autos and motorcycles don't get pulled over very often for loud exhausts. One of the reasons for this is the fact that the officer has to have a Calibrated DB Meter to enforce it. Which they don't have.
Please try to keep this on track, and a little less insulting when facts are presented. Thanks.
I am not laughing at you, I am laughing at the law enforcement. I am laughing at the fact that those laws existing make no actual difference. Your point is entirely fine and correct. Cars are now not excluded, motorcycles have not been excluded. Didn't make any difference before, won't now.
They can make any laws they like, but if they don't (or can't) enforce them (which is, in general, is a fact in this case), you effectively don't have those laws.
I'm okay with this.
They can make any laws they like, but if they don't (or can't) enforce them (which is, in general, is a fact in this case), you effectively don't have those laws.
Any law that's generally not enforced is a great ingredient for creating inequitable prosecution. The more arrows in the quiver, the more likely that someone will get E36 M3 on for the same offense that someone else didn't even get charged for.
INGO!Vigo said:They can make any laws they like, but if they don't (or can't) enforce them (which is, in general, is a fact in this case), you effectively don't have those laws.
Any law that's generally not enforced is a great ingredient for creating inequitable prosecution. The more arrows in the quiver, the more likely that someone will get E36 M3 on for the same offense that someone else didn't even get charged for.
BINGO!
Reminds me of the time that I was on a nice stretch of twisty road - with a known speed trap. I was one turn before the trap, and a cafe racer came screaming around that corner fast as blazes. I thought, "great, he'll clear out the cops" and increased my speed from the legal 25 to 35 or so.
Another half mile down I get pulled over. "Wait, the motorcycle was going twice my speed!" Cop: "I can't catch him. You I can catch."
My point being that if you're going to have laws, you have to enforce them. Do do otherwise is to increase the overall disdain people have for the gubberment.
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