anyone have a source for a 2012 camry 4cyl? have to do my brothers car next weekend, and will pay for the parts myself to not have to use that rinky-dink cartridge setup. I knoiw mazda has a conversion, so im assuming Toyota does as well. just cant seem to find it on google.
Mazda "has a conversion" because Fords have spin-on filters and they more or less use the same engine.
What's wrong with the cartridge? It's less likely to leak, it won't rust through like a steel can, and there's less waste when you change it. And you don't need a fancy cutting tool to open it up and inspect the filter media.
In reply to Dusterbd13:
Hmm... same basic engine as the Elise? I'd go digging in that direction as there are probably remote filter/coolers available.
Of course, I'm with Knurled - unless the housing is in a crappy spot (like R50-53 MINI's - grrr....) then I prefer cartridge filters.
The Toyota has it in an awesome spot. Same place as a Neon - it's behind the engine near the drain plug, down low where you can reach it, and it's horizontal so you don't get oil up your arm when you remove it.
Downside is you need a $20-30 tool to remove it.
The MINI needs a low-profile 32mm socket. Used to be a mail order item for ~$30, but can now be found at Pep Boys for $10.
I fell in love with cartridge filters when I had my BMW. Wonderful idea
Knurled wrote: ...it won't rust through like a steel can...
how long are you leaving your filters on for? 
Cartridge filters are new ? 
In reply to iceracer:
Nope.........Let's bring back oil bath air filters too. 
I like to think the redline was one of the worst located filter cartridge housings in existence.......seriously, front right side of the engine, but below the s/c, throttle body, and intake piping......I still liked that better than can filters.
Many quick oil places have replace the mazda motor due to deforming gasket when the cartridge housing is tightened. Cant say that it is a mechanic issue. Seems that the housing starts leaking two or more days after the oil change. Personally I have had to replace the housing 2x due to broken cartridge holder inside on the MS6. I am planning to do the filter update.
I've got the Toyota cartridge on a Highlander and I'd rather have a spin-on. It is two pieces with two o-rings and requires a special tool to remove. It also requires 12" of heater hose to drain the filter before removing it using a special plastic piece that comes with the filter. It is easy to put one of the o-rings on incorrectly, causing a huge oil leak (yeah, don't ask me how I know). I don't see how that is an improvement over the spin-on.
On the other hand, I've got a cartridge on my R56 MINI and it is pretty easy to deal with.
Basil Exposition wrote: On the other hand, I've got a cartridge on my R56 MINI and it is pretty easy to deal with.
you are dealing with a BMW part.. that is why. They have the Cartridge thing down
mad_machine wrote: I fell in love with cartridge filters when I had my BMW. Wonderful idea
My buddy's old E36 325i is made me a believer in cartridge filters. The oil drains out the pan, and that's it. Once the oil is drained, you put the plug back in and the rest of the oil change happens top side. It's sweet pulling a cartridge out of the top, replacing it, and then refilling the oil.
My Mazda3 isn't bad now that I've opened a hole under the cartridge housing in the under body tray. Nowhere near as convenient as the Bimmer though.
The cartridge on my EcoTec engine is really easy to get to. It's probably in the exact same place as all the others, but it doesn't have anything in the way. My Astra is the first car in which I've been able to change the oil without getting it in the air, and it sure as hell isn't because it's way up in the air like a truck.
My Vue ecotec is very easy to change. The vehicle is so high, that lifting the vehicle is not required for getting to the drain plug. The cartridge filter is topside, front and center making it easy to reach.
yamaha wrote: In reply to iceracer: Nope.........Let's bring back oil bath air filters too.
They're still used today on a lot of trucks/lorries and some 4x4s in foreign markets. They're an option on brand new Toyota FJ-series 4x4s.
They're the only filter that will survive driving through volcanic ash and will help an engine eat much less sand in the desert.
There is something about the Toyota cannister construction that makes it important to have at least two filter tools available, since you are quite likely to break at least one on every oil change. I really don't know, most everybody else makes a cap that screws off easily, but the aluminum Toyota ones weld themselves on like a Civic crank bolt-..
The good thing about cartridge filters is you only change the filter. On spin on filters, there's a check valve, end caps, etc that in non oem filters are of dubious quality.
Ian F wrote: The MINI needs a low-profile 32mm socket. Used to be a mail order item for ~$30, but can now be found at Pep Boys for $10.
36mm.... but yeah.
Streetwiseguy wrote: There is something about the Toyota cannister construction that makes it important to have at least two filter tools available, since you are quite likely to break at least one on every oil change. I really don't know, most everybody else makes a cap that screws off easily, but the aluminum Toyota ones weld themselves on like a Civic crank bolt-..
The only problem I had with the Toyota filter socket is the first one I bought walked away when someone used it and didn't take it off of the car.
What brand are you using? I'm fairly sure mine is a KD.
Derick Freese wrote: The cartridge on my EcoTec engine is really easy to get to. It's probably in the exact same place as all the others, but it doesn't have anything in the way. My Astra is the first car in which I've been able to change the oil without getting it in the air, and it sure as hell isn't because it's way up in the air like a truck.
Its very not "easy" on the s/c ecotecs.......but, I still like them better. Come to think of it, I have only changed the e36 once thus far....lol
Datsun1500 wrote:iceracer wrote: Cartridge filters are new ?My 64 Datsun has one, so I'm going to say no.
Cartridge was the original way.
Right up to the end of SBC production, the blocks were machined for the cartridge style filter that they haven't used in production since the late 50s.
Neat trivia: SBCs with spin on filters do not filter the oil to the rear main. It gets its oil straight from the filter pad pre-filter. They sort of worked around that with the way they designed the right angle and/or oil cooler adapters from the 80s and later - if you look at the top of the housing, you can see that it's shaped funny and the gasket is also shaped funny. That's to block off the rear main from the oil flow from the pump, and reroute the oil coming from the filtered side of the housing.
Knurled wrote:Streetwiseguy wrote: There is something about the Toyota cannister construction that makes it important to have at least two filter tools available, since you are quite likely to break at least one on every oil change. I really don't know, most everybody else makes a cap that screws off easily, but the aluminum Toyota ones weld themselves on like a Civic crank bolt-..The only problem I had with the Toyota filter socket is the first one I bought walked away when someone used it and didn't take it off of the car. What brand are you using? I'm fairly sure mine is a KD.
Got KD now. I busted the oe tool, welded it, then left it on a filter at some time.
I've used a 4' snipe to break them loose when they were tightened by a dimwit.
mndsm wrote:Ian F wrote: The MINI needs a low-profile 32mm socket. Used to be a mail order item for ~$30, but can now be found at Pep Boys for $10.36mm.... but yeah.
Shows how long it's been since I did a MINI oil change... 
Knurled wrote:Datsun1500 wrote:Cartridge was the original way. Right up to the end of SBC production, the blocks were machined for the cartridge style filter that they haven't used in production since the late 50s. Neat trivia: SBCs with spin on filters do not filter the oil to the rear main. It gets its oil straight from the filter pad pre-filter. They sort of worked around that with the way they designed the right angle and/or oil cooler adapters from the 80s and later - if you look at the top of the housing, you can see that it's shaped funny and the gasket is also shaped funny. That's to block off the rear main from the oil flow from the pump, and reroute the oil coming from the filtered side of the housing.iceracer wrote: Cartridge filters are new ?My 64 Datsun has one, so I'm going to say no.
i live in a car world dominated by small block Chevies, and this is the first that i've heard of the rear main thing..
regarding the cartridge filter in your first paragraph: are you talking about the add on external filters that were used in 55 and 56 when the block didn't have an oil filter boss on them? i think they took oil from the small fitting on the front of the block, which is a hole they stopped drilling in factory installed blocks in the 70's some time. otherwise the only other places to get oil from is the hole by the distributor that was used for oil pressure gauges and/or lights and the hole they started tapping down by the oil filter in the 80's that also got used for oil pressure sending units.
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