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java230
java230 Dork
9/12/16 9:50 a.m.

Not my first catless exhaust, but my first on a rear engine convertible. I never noticed any stink on my other cars, this one seems to.... Its on on the freeway etc, but in traffic it kinda sucks.

Shouldn't EFI be pretty non stinky? I am throwing a CEL for post cat o2 sensor heater circuit if that will mess with it.

DaveEstey
DaveEstey PowerDork
9/12/16 9:53 a.m.

All catless cars stink in my experience.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
9/12/16 10:15 a.m.

Compared to a full emissions car, catless cars will smell. You might want to look at how you exhaust is exiting.

Imagine though, that multiplied by 1000's (non-efi, more cars etc), was what we where used to, and barely noticed back in the day.

java230
java230 Dork
9/12/16 10:28 a.m.
aircooled wrote: Compared to a full emissions car, catless cars will smell. You might want to look at how you exhaust is exiting. Imagine though, that multiplied by 1000's (non-efi, more cars etc), was what we where used to, and barely noticed back in the day.

Its right behind the lip of the bumper, that may be part of the issue.

Its true, i can always tell when i am behind an old carb'ed car or truck too....

Its not bad with the top up, so its probably the way the air moves around the back of the car with the top down as well.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
9/12/16 10:29 a.m.

I also find the higher the octane, the less putrid stink level. They still smell, but it's at least more tolerable.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 PowerDork
9/12/16 10:29 a.m.

Strange. My turbo rotary smells sweeter than roses. Might be an acquired taste, though.

java230
java230 Dork
9/12/16 10:50 a.m.
Ranger50 wrote: I also find the higher the octane, the less putrid stink level. They still smell, but it's at least more tolerable.

Weird, it's not that stinky really, I can smell it a little, but i get a headache...

And 2 stroke smell is a totally different animal.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
9/12/16 11:09 a.m.

Headache tend to be CO induced. I've always noted that combustion chamber shame seems to dictate what kind of leftover HC's are present, which is what you smell.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse Dork
9/12/16 11:18 a.m.

Do you have your windows down? Because that will cause a draft to pull in the cabin.

java230
java230 Dork
9/12/16 11:19 a.m.

In reply to alfadriver:

I'll tell my combustion chambers to be less ashamed

Bought a used Exhaust with the cat removed... May have to put a high flow one in, I don't feel like poisoning myself too much.

java230
java230 Dork
9/12/16 11:19 a.m.
Trackmouse wrote: Do you have your windows down? Because that will cause a draft to pull in the cabin.

Convertible.....

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
9/12/16 11:26 a.m.
java230 wrote: In reply to alfadriver: I'll tell my combustion chambers to be less ashamed Bought a used Exhaust with the cat removed... May have to put a high flow one in, I don't feel like poisoning myself too much.

oops. ShaPe.

It's pretty easy to smell the difference between an Alfa, Ford small block, or Chevy small block.

Before you spend the money- make sure it's running right and the O2 sensors both work. No reason to spend money just to damage the catalyst really quickly.

akylekoz
akylekoz Reader
9/12/16 11:48 a.m.

Always loved the smell of my E30 M3. Notice I didn't say E36M3.

java230
java230 Dork
9/12/16 12:02 p.m.
alfadriver wrote:
java230 wrote: In reply to alfadriver: I'll tell my combustion chambers to be less ashamed Bought a used Exhaust with the cat removed... May have to put a high flow one in, I don't feel like poisoning myself too much.
oops. ShaPe. It's pretty easy to smell the difference between an Alfa, Ford small block, or Chevy small block. Before you spend the money- make sure it's running right and the O2 sensors both work. No reason to spend money just to damage the catalyst really quickly.

Ha I got what you were saying.

I have a code for the post cat o2 heater circuit not working, that's the only thing being thrown or pending.

In reply to akylekoz:

It doesn't really have much smell at all, just headaches after traffic.....

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
9/12/16 12:07 p.m.
DaveEstey wrote: All catless cars stink in my experience.

Yup. I've had several catless (temporarily) EFI cars.

Our Rallyx Sentra is currently catless. Do. not. like.

Hope to have this corrected by the next event.

dropstep
dropstep Dork
9/12/16 12:20 p.m.

I drive a catless carb'd car, if the winds blowing it back at me i can smell it but i like the smell. Maybe im so used too it that i never noticed it on my EFI cars.

Stefan (Not Bruce)
Stefan (Not Bruce) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/12/16 12:32 p.m.

Maybe put a cat back on it? I've not seen where removing them has gained enough to outweigh their loss.

Just me though.

Snrub
Snrub Reader
9/12/16 12:40 p.m.
1988RedT2 wrote: Strange. My turbo rotary smells sweeter than roses. Might be an acquired taste, though.

The smell reminds me of driving a snowmobile from the 1970s.

java230
java230 Dork
9/12/16 12:53 p.m.
Stefan (Not Bruce) wrote: Maybe put a cat back on it? I've not seen where removing them has gained enough to outweigh their loss. Just me though.

Thats the plan, used exhaust was bought with it removed.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy PowerDork
9/12/16 2:05 p.m.

We really have become pansies about the smell of exhaust. Any hint of unburnt hydrocarbons bothers me quite a bit now. I used to be able to walk around in a blue fog and never notice.

As to advice, I'd say put a cat on it, or put the roof up.

DaveEstey
DaveEstey PowerDork
9/12/16 2:12 p.m.
Snrub wrote:
1988RedT2 wrote: Strange. My turbo rotary smells sweeter than roses. Might be an acquired taste, though.
The smell reminds me of driving a snowmobile from the 1970s.

My carb'd RX7 has no cats and smells lovely. Race gas and Amsoil dominator pre-mix oil are a great combo!

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/12/16 2:14 p.m.

I've had customers come to us with decatted cars to have converters put back on because they couldn't stand the smell.

kb58
kb58 Dork
9/12/16 3:02 p.m.

If you're getting a headache due to carbon monoxide and a cat is put on, how does that keep you from still getting a CO-caused headache?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/12/16 3:08 p.m.

Because the cat will reduce the amount of CO exiting the exhaust along with NOx and HCs. It's kinda the point.

Want to make it smell better? Use E85.

java230
java230 Dork
9/12/16 3:09 p.m.
kb58 wrote: If you're getting a headache due to carbon monoxide and a cat is put on, how does that keep you from still getting a CO-caused headache?

Well that was all that was changed. Just header and up pipe.

In reply to Keith Tanner:

I dont think its suppsoed to run e85

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