"There's a $2010 Challenge Clam Rule."
Anyway......
"There's a $2010 Challenge Clam Rule."
Anyway......
zomby woof wrote: Oh, one more thing
Damn, it feels good to be a clam-digger....
Ah, Clam Rule.
Nevermind.
zomby woof wrote: Beat me to itI have news for you guys. As someone who gets paid to make cool stuff, I build projects because I like to. Your labor (and mine) is worth nothing.
It's worth what I can get someone to pay me for it. Several people here have proven their labor is worth thousands of dollars over the contest parts budget through sales. Mine may be, may not be. You can argue that a claim rule is reasonable, but arguing that a claim rule should be set at challenge budget because our time is worth nothing is insane.
Wait a minute--there's a claim rule? Bah, my labor is worth something.
JThw8 wrote:Spinout007 wrote: The cost is not what keeps people back. It is cubic amounts of TIME!!! Tell the owner if the wartburg that anyone can buy it for 2k after all the time they have put into it, and it likely wouldn't compete.I wouldn't be caught within 100 miles if there was a claim rule. Its definitely not the sum of the cost of the parts anymore. I had a semi serious discussion with someone already about selling them the car for $5000. Cant do it. Everything is for sale, but the price on this one would be considerable, its just been too much of my life this past year. Besides with my automotive ADD you just need to wait a little longer then I'll probably sell it for $500
If you can remember this post given your ADD, when you get tired of it I'll take it for $550 
Did somebody say claim rule??? That was snuffed out by the end of the second banquet. A clam rule makes more sense with this group.... How many clams can you spend on your equipment for the parts you make that are budgeted as almost free? That's a main Challenge factor that makes having/spending $$$ an advantage. Luckily, it seems that those that have the money and equipment lack the creativity, so it hasn't been a huge factor yet. 
MrJoshua wrote: It's worth what I can get someone to pay me for it. Several people here have proven their labor is worth thousands of dollars over the contest parts budget through sales. Mine may be, may not be. You can argue that a claim rule is reasonable, but arguing that a claim rule should be set at challenge budget because our time is worth nothing is insane.
It's worth exactly what you can get someone to pay for it, and for the purposes of this discussion, is $2010. The choice to enter is yours.
Your labor is worth the satisfaction you get when you complete a project.
zomby woof wrote:MrJoshua wrote: It's worth what I can get someone to pay me for it. Several people here have proven their labor is worth thousands of dollars over the contest parts budget through sales. Mine may be, may not be. You can argue that a claim rule is reasonable, but arguing that a claim rule should be set at challenge budget because our time is worth nothing is insane.It's worth exactly what you can get someone to pay for it, and for the purposes of this discussion, is $2010. The choice to enter is yours. Your labor is worth the satisfaction you get when you complete a project.
Interesting opinion but ya know what they say about opinions. Some are happy to count their labor for nothing. Some know the worth of it. I would not build a car like I have for someone else and only charge them for parts. Unlike some here I think I've shown that everything is for sale, no matter how much I love a project and have fun building it the time clock is always running in my head and I have a value for my time, everything is for sale and if you arent adding in for your time you are robbing yourself.
GRM cars arent built which checkbooks, many of these cars couldnt be built with checkbooks, it takes a creativity and an ingenuity and time, lots and lots of time. To say that is worth $0 belittles the effort and talents of the group.
Sing it brother Jim!
Meh, every time this comes up the 2 camps form up sides. Its a terrible debate that always ends the same. There will be no claim rule. If there was we'd still build cars but they'd look more like Lemons cars than the amazingly creative works that show up today.
On that note, a little preview. My wife genuinely hates this car at this point and she wouldnt even sell it for $2010
I may be wrong on this, but I'm thinking the only people who ever argue for claim rules have never built a Challenge car.
No credibility.
And frankly, I don't give a d*mn whether anyone believes my budget or not. I know the ones who have sweat blood for this like I have understand what it REALLY means, and they are the only people whose opinions I care about anyway.
I think we should have a claim rule rule: No one can suggest a claim rule unless they have first built a Challenge car. And if they do, they get their IP address permanently re-routed to the Teletubbies Online website whenever they try to log on to GRM.
I will say one thing- CLAMS RULE!
SVreX wrote: I will say one thing- CLAMS RULE!
I LOVE CLAMS!!!
Psycho dog concurs with the above poster. Build it then sell it to me for $2010. Put your time/money where your mouth is.
I dunno I'm more of an OYSTER man m'self
I've never tried a clam, fresh water muscles yes, clams no. Sign me up for this clams.
SVreX wrote: I may be wrong on this, but I'm thinking the only people who ever argue for claim rules have never built a Challenge car. No credibility.
I have not only competed at the challenge, but competed in claimer classes, and won.
I think the the only people who argue against claim rules are people who have never competed in a claimer class, and are afraid of being out engineered by someone on a true shoestring.
I claim this thread in the name of South Korea!
Zomby:
You are seriously outnumbered on this one. Nobody's interested.
Claim rule aint gonna happen at the Challenge. Thankfully.
"I think the the only people who argue against claim rules are people who have never competed in a claimer class, and are afraid of being out engineered by someone on a true shoestring."
I'm against the claim rule because I build my cars for me, not for some lazy, non-creative loser that can't build his own as well...
fastclown wrote: "I think the the only people who argue against claim rules are people who have never competed in a claimer class, and are afraid of being out engineered by someone on a true shoestring." I'm against the claim rule because I build my cars for me, not for some lazy, non-creative loser that can't build his own as well...
^ what he said
Claim rule?
I'd be down in Florida with a $500 Miata and a $2010 check so fast every cop from here to Gainesville would need a new radar gun.
Oh wait. Dick move.
914Driver wrote:93gsxturbo wrote: Its a hobby, and as a hobby, labor should be immaterial....what's the price tag on your wife-g/f? G' head, put a price on it.
Dead or alive?
SVreX wrote: Zomby: You are seriously outnumbered on this one. Nobody's interested. Claim rule aint gonna happen at the Challenge. Thankfully.
Read the thread before you post.
fastclown wrote: not for some lazy, non-creative loser that can't build his own as well...
Says the guy who won the same trophy with the the same car for how many years?
David S. Wallens wrote: Okay, time for an executive decision: There will be a clam rule. Serve the staff some clam chowder at the event, and you'll get a treat.
If I get to serve Joe my clam chowder, that in and of itself is reward enough.
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