Challenge rules and datalogging acquisition?

Skimming the rules, I couldn't quite decide how it would be handled. But if I brought my DIY maxQ datalogging bits and pieces, could it get used in car without being in budget?

I know it has the potential of improving autox times... so it could be considered a benefit in that regard. I honestly just want to log data for fun... but if allowed, let the driver use it to get faster.

Basically its netbook, 45buck gps and 30buck software package.... that wouldn't fit within budget if all those things were tallied up.

Forgive me if this has been addressed, I didn't find anything during a few quick searches.

Thoughts?

If its in the car when it goes around the course, it counts in the budget.

93gsxturbo wrote: If its in the car when it goes around the course, it counts in the budget.

I don't see why it should be. I'm sure a lot of folks stick video cameras in their car that aren't in the budget, and I don't see any real performance advantage on a run-to-run basis for either.

my $.02

93gsxturbo wrote: If its in the car when it goes around the course, it counts in the budget.

it is not a performance enhancer, it is a tuning aid. tuning aids are tools, therefore not counted against budget.

It's not counted towards the budget.

Per

AngryCorvair wrote:

93gsxturbo wrote: If its in the car when it goes around the course, it counts in the budget.

it is not a performance enhancer, it is a tuning aid. tuning aids are tools, therefore not counted against budget.

The one thing one must be careful of is what is a tool and what is part of the system. For instance, if you ECU uses a WB O2 sensor, and you log it to tune it- the WB is part of the budget, since the ECU uses it. If it's just for logging, I agree with Angry.

If you are a good calibrator, you can really take advantage of this, BTW- have it in there, but don't use it. I can say that I did. Well, in all honesty, I couldn't get the circuitry to work together, so the WB sensor would never be accepted by the Tech II. I let too much smoke out.

Anyway- there are some fine lines in some systems. For a GPS based driving tool- I'd call it a tool- even if you are measuring a "torque curve" with your Iphone.

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Good, then a wide band is OK as well...

Sounds good. It'll be fun to see that data :)

fastclown wrote: Good, then a wide band is OK as well...

Shouldn't you be more worried about the tranny in Uranus?

zing.

Of course, you'll be cool and provide us with the data stream for your runs, right?

fastclown wrote: Good, then a wide band is OK as well...

It would seem to me that if the wideband is just running a gauge, then it maybe shouldn't count. But if it's feeding info to a Megasquirt, then it definitely should.

'course, what I think doesn't matter.

Tom Heath wrote: Of course, you'll be cool and provide us with the data stream for your runs, right?

I don't see any problem with that :)

poopshovel wrote:

fastclown wrote: Good, then a wide band is OK as well...

Shouldn't you be more worried about the tranny in Uranus? zing.

Well played, Mr Shovel. Well played.

poopshovel wrote:

fastclown wrote: Good, then a wide band is OK as well...

Shouldn't you be more worried about the tranny in Uranus? zing.

Seems like Gainesville IS the appropriate venue for the challenge, then.

Note to self... do not pass out anywhere in public during the GRM event.

I needed that, thanks! It's going to be a long 1 day 23 hours... And yes the wide band is just a gauge...

splitime wrote: Note to self... do not pass out anywhere in public during the GRM event.

Good call. Someone WILL write on your face. You will wish they had just used a sharpie.

DILYSI Dave wrote:

splitime wrote: Note to self... do not pass out anywhere in public during the GRM event.

Good call. Someone WILL write on your face. You will wish they had just used a sharpie.

Only if it was the first round of drinks. After that, anything goes.

I shudder at some of the bad plays on word ideas....

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So is this saying that aftermarket gauges (boost, temp, wideband, volts, ect) would not count towards the challenge budget if they are only used for diagnostic purposes? Also what about oil, antifreeze, spark plugs do those count? Just trying to work on the build sheet and wouldnt mind clearing up and extra slack in the budget

I've always counted gauges and plugs. Oil and antifreeze are "consumables," IIRC.

Wow....waiting to the last minute to finagle the budget.....

Gauges count.

Wideband 02 devices and sensors that are not permanently mounted or data acquisition devices do not.

Oill/antifreeze/liquids do not count.

spark plugs count

93gsxturbo wrote: If its in the car when it goes around the course, it counts in the budget.

If you've got an expensive helmet, you might have to drive nude...

Per Schroeder wrote: Wow....waiting to the last minute to finagle the budget..... .... Oill/antifreeze/liquids do not count.

Wheels777 will be glad to see this, albeit a little too late for this year's effort since he hit the road yesterday.

OTOH, knowing him, he's got some demon tweak in the trailer that would put him $4 over budget, and by removing his 7 qts of oil will finally be able to install. will we finally see a challenge car go sub-10.50's? stay tuned, bitches. stay tuned.

FWIW (very little, i know), i've always counted any lubricants and coolants that i've replaced. because of their replacement intervals, especially compared to a true "consumable" like gasoline, i've always thought of them as "part of the car".

I thought the Datsun went 10.47 or something? Either way, I think the car certainly has the potential, but it's coming pretty much un-tuned, which is a first for Andy. On the other hand, he is some kind of wizard so he'll probably have it lined out after a pass or two. Either way, jaws will drop. The car is dead sexy.