Tom_Spangler said:dculberson said:I have little experience with them, but gas Excursions - especially 2wd ones - are super cheap. Their gas mileage is abysmal, but that's sort of part of the deal with a vehicle like this.
Relative to the diesels, yes, but IMO all Excursions are overpriced for what they are.
I can't believe you can pay 30k for a 12 year old ford truck. its just stupid
I'm not seeing the stupid prices for Excursions. I can see from $2,500 to $10K with lots out there, more than I thought actually and this is just SE Mi. There are lots more than these.
'Small knock' $1,500 https://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/d/2001-ford-excursion-4x4-obo/6368407806.html
JAcked up Ghetto $2,500 https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/d/2003-ford-excursion-limited/6333805739.html
V10 nearly 300k miles $2,899 https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/d/2002-ford-excursion-police/6325287393.html
New shocks, brakes and tires, V10 $3,700 https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/d/2001-ford-excursion-limited/6367882080.html
V10 $6,500 https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/d/2004-ford-excursion-eddie/6367352244.html
This is high, but it's a Navistar $8,900 https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/d/73l-ford-excursion-xlt-4x4/6368590616.html
Later 6.0 Navistar TD Pricy $9,500 https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/d/ford-excursion-diesel-4x4/6367213471.html
4-5k for v10 ones around here. One with 132k miles says needs work one with 267k but has had some work done to it
I'm still driving my van everyday and would still sell it if some one want's it. And I still only have the pics on Google images for now.
It's not really that tall, just some weird formatting.
In reply to akylekoz :
1/2-ton or 3/4? Does it have a hitch? Price, miles, location & details? You can pm me if you prefer.
Just borrowed the folks spare tahoe. It's an 03 with 208k miles. 5.3, 3.42's and 4wd. I can tell you I would spend the extra dough for a 'burb. Seriously. These things hold up rediculously well. The 5.3/3.42 makes my 4.8 3.23 2wd crewcab feel like a 1983 Escort Diesel. It's got balls.
In Ford-world, the solution to the twin I-beam stuff is to get a 4wd one. That swaps the I-beam for a stick axle.
In reply to Adrian_Thompson :
The 6.0 is Navistar and the 7.3 is International. That 6.0 Excursion for $9,500 is a pretty good deal given how much they are selling for. Even though it does have some rust, EW! Diesel 4x4 Excursions go for quite a bit. I have a 7.3 2wd and I def understand why people pay what they pay for these things. Though I bought mine pretty cheap, it needed a few things and kinda ugly aestheically.
I would love a later 6.0 Excursion. Like a black 05 4x4 thats been bulletproofed! I like my 7.3 but the 6.0 is quieter and more powerful.
In reply to yupididit :
International is owned by Navistar. Both engines came from the same company. And I agree, the 6.0 with its issues fixed is definitely nicer than the 7.3. A lot more power, not as loud and clattery and a little more efficient too IIRC.
On the truck side I found tons of diesel F-250s comparably priced even to the gasser GM trucks just due to age.
Your van is still awesome Akylekoz
I keep thinking if I somehow wrecked my benz I would get some sort of daily/tow rig to replace it with no payments and just drag my new to me miata or other project cars everywhere
I have experience with fords v10's.
With my personal F250 it will pull my car trailer and 3,500 pound car just fine in OD. It's also pretty comfortable. I don't think it rides too rough.
On the other hand, at work we have 1 ton duallys with the v10. We pull about 10-12,000 pounds and for the most part they do well, but if it's windy or hilly be prepared to spend a lot of time at 4,500 rpms.
Pete, I just picked up a 2001 Toyota Sequoia with a 2UZ 4.7l V8, 6500lbs of towing capacity, and 186k miles for $2000. I was looking for exactly the same thing you are looking for, and everything I found or looked at was a total POS. Don't want to take the thread completely off topic, but you might consider it.
Steve
My current SE Michigan fav, just because of the lack of rust.
Its mostly personal preference really. I have had all of the above (including a couple dodges that I won't do again)
All of the 3/4 ton trucks and vans are pretty much equally capable, with the exception of the Chevys in some areas. Chevy vans don't really have what it takes in a few key areas. Their long wheelbase makes for steady towing, but don't (I really mean don't) go old enough to gave the older Vortec 5.7L under the hood. They don't overheat, but they constantly run very hot. Not to mention, they're wimpy. And many of those era Chevy trucks have hideous A/C that won't do the trick.
I used to run a fleet of Chevy vans with the 5.7L. In the Indiana summer heat, all 20-some of them did so poorly I lobbied the university to upgrade to Fords which they finally did 3 years later. At anything under about 10 mph, there wasn't enough airflow over the condenser and the A/C would trip the high side switch and start blowing hot. The clutch fan would engage, and (get this) there was so much drag from the fan that at full throttle, they wouldn't shift out of second. They would get up around redline, refuse to spin any more, and the computer never shifted.
Also had some 1998 6.5TD pickups in the fleet that would do the same A/C trick (but they shifted fine.)
Otherwise, all of the brands will do a decent job towing. They have spent so long trying to outdo each other that they're relatively equals in the function category. I had a 98 F150 4.6L that I ran until it had 245k on it with the only repair being a heater core that started leaking. I recently (2 years) bought an 02 F150-7700 with the 5.4L that has been a non-stop nitpicky nightmare. It tows great, but I get an Evap leak code about once a month, I've had to replace the manifolds twice, did a coil, can't get the parking brake to work right, and the 4x4 servo likes to stick when its cold. I think I'll trade it for something else soon.
Also have (well, dad has) an 04 and an 08 Dmax that are dreamboats.
General observations, YMMV:
Chevys use much lower quality interior materials. The seats in both of dad's trucks lasted less than 60k before splitting open the seams whereas all of my Fords weren't even showing wear until about 150k. I prefer the ergonomics of the Chevys, but you'll notice that all the buttons for things like the radio, climate control, etc are made with this rubbery coating that turns into pudding and wears off/starts feeling like an old piece of sticky tape.
Mechanically, they're both very similar. Most of the gas offerings will get you the 4L80E in the chevy and the 4R100 in the Ford. Both great. Same goes for rear axles: 10.5" in the chevy, 10.25" in the Ford. Overkill.
I might give up my 4x4 for a couple years and go back to a diesel van from either company. I really prefer vans, but getting one with 4x4 means an expensive conversion.
Both manufacturers offer an HD half-ton. My brother-in-law has a 1500HD chevy that is really hard to discern between a 2500; 8-lug wheels, 10.5" rear, 4L85E. I have the F150-7700 which has the 7-lug wheels, 4R100 and 10.25" rear. Both offerings are basically a half-ton truck with 3/4 ton guts stuffed in them. I have no problem towing 10k with mine, (rated for 8700) and he tows 8500 with his.
interesting side note on GM seats. Cloth seats in the GMT800 will last forever. DAd's 03 Silverado has 223k miles on it now and they look a little worn, but then again Dad is 300lbs. The leather seats will all be split inside of 3 years. Our 06 Sierra the seats look and feel like new at 94k miles.
Curtis73 said,
All of the 3/4 ton trucks and vans are pretty much equally capable, with the exception of the Chevys in some areas. Chevy vans don't really have what it takes in a few key areas. Their long wheelbase makes for steady towing, but don't (I really mean don't) go old enough to gave the older Vortec 5.7L under the hood. They don't overheat, but they constantly run very hot. Not to mention, they're wimpy. And many of those era Chevy trucks have hideous A/C that won't do the trick.
I used to run a fleet of Chevy vans with the 5.7L. In the Indiana summer heat, all 20-some of them did so poorly I lobbied the university to upgrade to Fords which they finally did 3 years later. At anything under about 10 mph, there wasn't enough airflow over the condenser and the A/C would trip the high side switch and start blowing hot. The clutch fan would engage, and (get this) there was so much drag from the fan that at full throttle, they wouldn't shift out of second. They would get up around redline, refuse to spin any more, and the computer never shifted.
In the last 70k miles I have not experienced any heat or AC problems, maybe it's the tow package and dual heat and AC that is different on mine.
If you don't like a 5.7 also stay away from the 5.3/4L60E combo, the 5.3 really likes more gears, get a newer one after they dropped the 4L60E, the 4L60E works fine the the 5.7 that has more low end.
rslifkin said:In reply to yupididit :
International is owned by Navistar. Both engines came from the same company. And I agree, the 6.0 with its issues fixed is definitely nicer than the 7.3. A lot more power, not as loud and clattery and a little more efficient too IIRC.
In-debth knowledge! THanks good sir. I agree on all the reasons you listed for the 6.0. Mine wasnt completely bullet proof but it was never tuned either. I avg better city milage in the 6.0 vs 7.3, highway seems about the same.
In reply to akylekoz :
4.8/5.3 Like more rear gear than the older vortecs and TBi's. Where you could easily get away with a 3.08 or 3.23 and still tow a ton of weight, the newer engines need more gear. If you're going to tow, 3.42 should be a minimum
In reply to curtis73 :
Thanks Curtis! Good to know about the HD 1/2-tons too.
In reply to curtis73 :
Just out of curiosity, how was the 4.6L F150 for towing? They sure are getting cheap around here compared to the other trucks...
In reply to Adrian_Thompson :
I wont even consider a V10 excursion and seeing any in decent shape command a pretty penny that are 4x4.
ultraclyde said:In reply to curtis73 :
Just out of curiosity, how was the 4.6L F150 for towing? They sure are getting cheap around here compared to the other trucks...
Guy I used to race with towed an enclosed 20' trailer with two Formula Vees with a 1997 F-150 4.6L. It was painfully slow, but it got the job done. It was also a leased truck, so he didn't care about caning it.
Anecdotally I looked up tow capacity for
2001 Seqoia 6200-6500
2001 Tahoe 7900-8500
2001 Suburban 8700-8800 for the 1500s up to 10-12k for the 2500s
2001 Excursion 10,000
All of them average about 14mpg, V10 excursion was 9-10mpg, 7.3 diesel excursion was about 15-16, 6.0 diesel excursion was also around 14 so about the same as the rest of the bunch
I used fuelly.org for those numbers as its more real world
In reply to Jaynen :
Thanks! That's good data to have. While any of those should handle anything I'm likely to need, the 3/4-ton suburban is pretty amazing to have more towing capacity and better mileage than the Excursion.
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