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Brake_L8
Brake_L8 Reader
2/26/19 2:32 p.m.

I'm planning an event with some friends in which we all buy cheap AWD vehicles and subject them to 2-3 days of light-to-mild off roading. We aren't going to Moab or the hardest trails of Rausch Creek, more like OHV trails somewhere in Virginia or Maryland or whatnot.

If you could spend up to $1,500 on a vehicle that could spin all four wheels, did not have any sort of low range or transfer case, would make it down some trails, and was vaguely street legal, what would you buy? We have been talking about a lot of options but I'm curious to get the GRM hivemind take on it.

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
2/26/19 2:55 p.m.

today, the acura MDX is my answer. When you are done, part it out and keep the j series for something else. 

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/why-not-early-acura-mdx-adventuretow-rigdaily-or-challenge-car/151274/page1/

Brake_L8
Brake_L8 Reader
2/26/19 2:58 p.m.
Robbie said:

today, the acura MDX is my answer. When you are done, part it out and keep the j series for something else. 

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/why-not-early-acura-mdx-adventuretow-rigdaily-or-challenge-car/151274/page1/

The MDX has crossed my mind although I do worry about the transmission. No room to part out whatever I buy so it'll be flipped back on the List of Craig.

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
2/26/19 3:19 p.m.

The really limited rear suspension travel of the MDX/Pilot makes it a no-go for me. Tucson/Sportage that were fwd platform would probably be on my radar for cheap light offroad work and no-berkeleys given beating. 

2002maniac
2002maniac Dork
2/26/19 3:32 p.m.

Subaru would be the easy button.

I just took this new to me $300 Outback on a 200 mile off road trip into the Utah Desert beyond the Great Salt Lake.

Mud, washboard, snow, and sheet ice were no problem!

oldopelguy
oldopelguy UberDork
2/26/19 3:33 p.m.

The cheapest Impreza you can find and equip with Forester suspension bits.

Or a Geo Tracker and don't tell anyone about the low range.

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory PowerDork
2/26/19 3:35 p.m.

Ford Escape

(the answer used to be Samurai, I paid $600, $1,200 and $800 for mine, not any more!)

 

I bet you could find a Liberty too

spandak
spandak Reader
2/26/19 3:37 p.m.

Kia shortage 

It did well in Cheap Truck Challenge 

Patrick
Patrick GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/26/19 3:45 p.m.

Aztek with mud tires, a roof rack, and a brush guard with led bar

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
2/26/19 3:52 p.m.

Suzuki car 

 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
2/26/19 3:55 p.m.
Patrick said:

Aztek with mud tires, a roof rack, and a brush guard with led bar

I can't possibly explain how much I love this idea only to say what about the Buick version? What was that, the Rendevous?

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
2/26/19 3:56 p.m.

I think of the original Sportage, Trackers and Sidekicks to be cheating. They're actually 4wd, body on frame things not a fwd crossover. 

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
2/26/19 3:59 p.m.

I really wish you could bump the budget and rock the murano convertible

mtn
mtn MegaDork
2/26/19 4:19 p.m.

In the  interest of keeping things cheap, a V6 AWD Tribute/Escape/Mariner. It is shocking how little these go for for how nice a vehicle they are--but I never took mine off roading really. It could certainly handle Chicago winters though.

Justjim75
Justjim75 HalfDork
2/26/19 4:46 p.m.

Something with rusty fenders that you won't feel bad about cutting.  Increase in tire outside diameter is the easiest way to lift, just make sure they all match.  Get a fairly narrow all or mud terrain tire, a car with good visibility from the driver's seat, cobble some kind of tow hook front and rear and take a hi-lift jack and a decent tow rope.  You'll go places you never thought you could

Justjim75
Justjim75 HalfDork
2/26/19 4:53 p.m.

You could get an old Chevy Astro, Ford Aerostar or Mazda MPV and Lincoln lock the rear diff.  Those with the right tires would put perform many FWD based AWDs

Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
2/26/19 4:58 p.m.

Suzuki SX4

Perfect size and cost for your adventures. 

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory PowerDork
2/26/19 5:22 p.m.

The early 2000’s Caravans came with optional awd...

Patrick
Patrick GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/26/19 6:02 p.m.

In reply to bobzilla :

As soon as i posted I went to CL and typed in AWD rendezvous.  Then i had to keep myself from calling on one.  

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/26/19 6:23 p.m.
Robbie said:

I really wish you could bump the budget and rock the murano convertible

Surely these things are free(or less) by now, right?

RealMiniNoMore
RealMiniNoMore PowerDork
2/26/19 7:33 p.m.
Robbie said:

I really wish you could bump the budget and rock the murano convertible

Just to beat ever-livin' snot out of it, with no berks given. 

G_Body_Man
G_Body_Man UltraDork
2/26/19 8:20 p.m.

What about a Lexus RX300? If you're gonna do it, do it in style and luxury

 

If you could have low range but never use it, I suggest a first-generation Mercedes ML. It may have low range and a frame but it also has open diffs, limited suspension travel and potentially questionable reliability

Snrub
Snrub HalfDork
2/26/19 9:51 p.m.

For the price range and use case in question, do "regular" FWD-based AWD systems add much real value? I don't have a ton of experience with these types of AWD systems, but my recollection of a mid-late 2000s escape and similar was that when losing traction in snow, it felt like you could count to two and then then the rear wheels kicked in. I imagine the basic systems would still significantly reduce your risk of getting stuck. I wonder if what you want is more along the lines of a subaru, volvo, audi?

mtn
mtn MegaDork
2/26/19 10:35 p.m.
Snrub said:

For the price range and use case in question, do "regular" FWD-based AWD systems add much real value? I don't have a ton of experience with these types of AWD systems, but my recollection of a mid-late 2000s escape and similar was that when losing traction in snow, it felt like you could count to two and then then the rear wheels kicked in. I imagine the basic systems would still significantly reduce your risk of getting stuck. I wonder if what you want is more along the lines of a subaru, volvo, audi?

I think that would depend on the specific vehicle. For a [first gen] CRV, the AWD would probably be broken. The Escapes were much hardier systems. I don't know the difference enough to talk about it though. 

_
_ Reader
2/27/19 1:24 a.m.

First gen crv in manual trim is what you want. Dead reliable, even if it’s been neglected. Holds its resale. 

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