Nothing earth shattering here, just Pontiac getting a version of the Chevy Aveo. Just seems like the same old GM. Linky:
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080918/FREE/809189975/1065
Here's GM response:
http://wot.motortrend.com/6286015/auto-news/defending-the-indefensible-gm-rationalizes-decision-to-green-light-pontiac-g3/index.html
Canadiapolis has had them for a while.
Mental
SuperDork
9/18/08 4:28 p.m.
Deanna looks like Sarah Chalke from Scubs
Type Q
Reader
9/18/08 4:34 p.m.
What was the Pontiac version of the Chevette? The T-1000?
It's back
Yay, lets all go buy Daewoo's!
Chevy started offering 2009 Aveo's (updated model with a bit more power, bit better fuel economy, different styling) for $9995 plus taxes here. Hyundai has been offering their 3 door accent for the same price for almost a year... I'd rather get the Hyundai.
Then there is the Cobalt/G5
it looks better than the aveo.. not any more exciting, but better
Type Q wrote:
What was the Pontiac version of the Chevette? The T-1000?
It's back
In high school, my best friend's girlfriend had a T1000. Among the useful skills I taught her:
1. How to peel out
2. How to chirp the tires in second
3. How to chirp the tires in third (she never could do that consistently)
4. How to shift without a clutch (when the clutch cable broke)
5. How to launch the car with the starter (again when the clutch cable broke).
These days, she drives a manual RX8. It's quite a step up from that POS.
HiTempguy wrote:
Yay, lets all go buy Daewoo's!
Chevy started offering 2009 Aveo's (updated model with a bit more power, bit better fuel economy, different styling) for $9995 plus taxes here. Hyundai has been offering their 3 door accent for the same price for almost a year... I'd rather get the Hyundai.
I don't remember if it was the Accent or the Elantra, but I have been seeing newer Hyundais that say they were manufactured by Daewoo according to the doorjamb sticker.
So, either way, you may be getting Daewoo. Certainly the 1.6 in the Accent is a dead ringer for the Daewoo (Opel) DOHC mill.
John Brown wrote:
Canadiapolis has had them for a while.
Yea they call it the Wave ~~~~~
Beerguy
New Reader
9/18/08 10:26 p.m.
ya we've been getting the wave for a few years now, 4 door and 5 door. except the 5 door had its own front bumper/headlights that were so ugly you'd think Chris Bangle designed it. luckily they've ditched it for the version pictured above.
jezeus
Reader
9/18/08 10:48 p.m.
They should call it a le mans, as the 90s le mans was also an imported Daewoo. And yes, the Pontiac version is much better looking than that front heavy Chevrolet thing.
suprf1y
New Reader
9/18/08 11:55 p.m.
Type Q wrote:
What was the Pontiac version of the Chevette? The T-1000?
It's back
It was also the Acadian before it was the T1000
gamby
SuperDork
9/19/08 12:33 a.m.
mad_machine wrote:
it looks better than the aveo.. not any more exciting, but better
Agreed. Certainly is cute.
Wise move on GM's part. Cheap, practical and efficient.
92dxman
New Reader
9/19/08 7:40 a.m.
Look everybody, its a baby Vibe
suprf1y
New Reader
9/19/08 9:47 a.m.
If they had made it a 2dr (the Suzuki Swift+ is the same car in Canada), my business would go through the roof with real motorheads looking for real perf. parts instead of kids looking for clear tail lights, and fart cans.
I rented one of those a few years ago. VERY unimpressed. Very sad that this is GM's answer to the need for a small car. POS only got just over 30 mph on the same trip a 4 door Geo I rented a few years earlier got almost 40! (and with one more person in the car!). It really did remind me of the attempts in the 80's by the US makers to emulate the Japanese.
It is the answer to: "Why is everyone buying Japanese cars?"
Can anyone else not stand the new fad for those fake side vent thingers? GM is obsessed with them.
gamby
SuperDork
9/19/08 7:04 p.m.
aircooled wrote:
I rented one of those a few years ago. VERY unimpressed. Very sad that this is GM's answer to the need for a small car. POS only got just over 30 mph on the same trip a 4 door Geo I rented a few years earlier got almost 40! (and with one more person in the car!). It really did remind me of the attempts in the 80's by the US makers to emulate the Japanese.
It is the answer to: "Why is everyone buying Japanese cars?"
You have to wonder how such a tiny car could only get 30mpg.
I googled around a bit and saw this thread, which has a lot of people getting truly unimpressive FE out of the Aveo. WTF???
http://www.automotiveforums.com/t328008.html
Automatic kills economy in a small car.
(didn't click link)
gamby
SuperDork
9/19/08 10:54 p.m.
noisycricket wrote:
Automatic kills economy in a small car.
(didn't click link)
I didn't even think of that. I guess I see an auto as so pointless in a car w/ a motor that small that it wasn't even in the picture for me.
Makes sense, though. I'd hope the 5-spd would do a little better.
gamby wrote:
mad_machine wrote:
it looks better than the aveo.. not any more exciting, but better
Agreed. Certainly is cute.
Wise move on GM's part. Cheap, practical and efficient.
so it's a better looking korean econo box. better than launching another craptastic SUV
as for new lower gas ratings, it is a 2 part hit.
1 is the new epa rating system. it seams to be an across the board 5 mpg hit on small cars.
2 is new saftey standards and the equiptment and weight that comes with it
besides, OEMs have been more concerned with saftey for the past ten years and milage has taken a back seat
billy3esq wrote:
These days, she drives a manual RX8. It's quite a step up from that POS.
Then it's a good thing she probably also learned to add oil regularly. Two guys at work bought them and have asked me if roteries were like two strokes.
1 is the new epa rating system. it seams to be an across the board 5 mpg hit on small cars.
I don't really understand this. Even beating the piss out of older cars I tend to get better then EPA's older rating system. So I don't really get it? Why does the EPA keep making the mpg of new cars rated worse, when you don't even really have to try to beat it?