Please. Alcohol has killed more people and ruined more lives than all smoking and drug related deaths combined. Kenny Bernstein never made me want to drink Budweiser.
Please. Alcohol has killed more people and ruined more lives than all smoking and drug related deaths combined. Kenny Bernstein never made me want to drink Budweiser.
Trans_Maro wrote: In reply to noddaz: Rothmans made me not want to smoke. True story. I used to buy Players Lights from my buddy at school in the smoke pit. I never knew that those things were about the closest thing to smoking air. One day I got it in my head to steal a couple of dad's smokes. The old man smoked Rothmans Blue. Holy god, I thought I was going to die. One good drag on that thing and I thought I was going to hack up a lung. I was good and sick from trying to "man up" and finish the damn thing. Put me off cigarettes pretty much forever. Now I enjoy a good Cuban cigar about once a month but that's it. Bolivar no.2 please. Partagas would be a close second. Shawn
Your Rothmans sounds like my experience with John Players Special......jeebus, that was a harsh freaking ciggy. Made Players green death almost taste normal and smooth 
As a planet, we had a crusade on cigarettes and its advertising. Getting rid of the Camel cartoon was probably a good thing, but raising taxes and health awareness is what really reduced smoking, not killing car advertisements.
If we allow alcohol, there's no reason to not allow tobacco or any other adult product. Heck, a casino sponsoring a "real winner of a racer" would be top marketing!
If it were about reducing deaths, we'd ban the US Army from recruiting on cars. I find military recruitment more distasteful than anything else because the goal is literally "lets get young people to possibly kill other people and maybe die themselves." Doing it for patriotism and honor is one thing; doing it for NASCAR is another...
I say publish the pictures. Heck, do a montage of historic liveries on modern cars, in an article on how to make your car awesome! Great way to show paint, plastidip, vinyl wraps, etc. and if it's a Panoz in Marlboro livery, all the better.
Appleseed wrote: Please. Alcohol has killed more people and ruined more lives than all smoking and drug related deaths combined. Kenny Bernstein never made me want to drink Budweiser.
If God Himself wanted me to drink Budweiser, I would question my faith. Thankfully that hasn't happened. Yet.
Appleseed wrote: Please. Alcohol has killed more people and ruined more lives than all smoking and drug related deaths combined. Kenny Bernstein never made me want to drink Budweiser.
IDK about this.
The thing is I can drink a few beers watching the game on Sunday. If I did the same with tobacco I still can get cancer. Also if i'm drinking everyone around is unaffected by it unless I drive or start a fight which i don't do. If I am smoking then my friend with asthma can't breathe, me with severe allergies (if someone else is smoking) cannot be there as I get sick, etc. You are causing a MASSIVE inconvenience to everyone around you. I will not date a girl who smokes or go to someone's house who smokes regularly. The stench and presence of the smoke in a person's house even if it was smoked hours ago makes it unbearable for me to be there. It also doesn't help that tobacco is an additive product that relies on the addiction to sell. Which is the primary reason why ads for it are banned. They didn't need to advertise to people who already smoked.
Also the problem with the tobacco ads is they lied. Constantly. That is the problem people had with them. It's not like Budweiser lying where they pretend you will have a party with a cool dog or a good time or frogs will start croaking their name. It's the "this E36 M3 is actually good for you" lying, cover ups, destroying the name of people who the people who tried to release their nefarious practices, hiring scientists to lie for them and quoting them in ads, etc.
kylini wrote: As a planet, we had a crusade on cigarettes and its advertising. Getting rid of the Camel cartoon was probably a good thing, but raising taxes and health awareness is what really reduced smoking, not killing car advertisements.
I remember when cig taxes made $1.50 packs cost $3. People complained but nobody quit over it. Now they are $6-9 a pack and people still don't quit over it.
However, if you want to cite a financial rationale for quitting, check out health insurance rates. THERE's where the money drain is. Makes $250/month for smokes seem like pocket change.
kanaric wrote: Also the problem with the tobacco ads is they lied. Constantly. That is the problem people had with them. It's not like Budweiser lying where they pretend you will have a party with a cool dog or a good time or frogs will start croaking their name. It's the "this E36 M3 is actually good for you" lying, cover ups, destroying the name of people who the people who tried to release their nefarious practices, hiring scientists to lie for them and quoting them in ads, etc.
Hopefully in 20 years everyone will wake up and see the exact same practices being used today for various anti-causes for what they are.
Of course, we as a society will probably (once again) not have actually learned anything from this hindsight, and a large percentage of us will happily be buying whatever BS some major interest is selling at that time.
Could careless, some of the best livery ever were the cigarette companies.
I think some of you guys are underestimating the power of marketing. There is a reason they put Joe Camel the cool cartoon on the packs and made the Marlboro Man in the magazines look like a young rugged guy rather than a crusty tobacco addict hacking up half a lung with a scratch and sniff that smells like a dirty ashtray. Advertising works and displaying cool livery on a race car is part of the equation.
That said, I don't think a historical race car that is trying to replicate a period correct look should have to avoid displaying livery with those sponsors on it.
When it comes to new stuff I don't think we should give the companies an opening here to advertise or market in that fashion anymore. They continue to do some really terrible things in foreign countries that don't regulate tobacco at all such as giving out cigarettes to kids outside schools to get them hooked early. There is just no redeeming value to most major tobacco products, they are purely a product designed to give you an addiction that is extremely difficult for many people to drop.
While I would not support banning them entirely, because that just creates an illegal marketplace, I'm totally down with just about any measure designed to stop them from marketing the product to make it look appealing at all.
N Sperlo wrote: I'm part of the IDGAF crowd. Cigarette ads never effected me racecar or not.
Enzo Ferrari (IIRC) complained about condom manufacturers (Durex) in the early '70s...
Knurled wrote: Hopefully in 20 years everyone will wake up and see the exact same practices being used today for various anti-causes for what they are.
20 years isn't fast enough, by then everyone will be obese with diabetes and global average temps will have gone up over 2C!
The political correctness of this day an age is BS. Every day we are being told don't do this, don't do that, you can't say this it will offend someone, don't display this someones feelings will be hurt, that sends the wrong message and it goes on and on. I'm offended that someone thinks I'm not smart enough to figure these things out by myself. And who exactly are these people who make the political correctness rules? Its even sadder that these people seem to lead the masses and have a following.
As far as tobacco advertising if that influences you to take it up with all the information that has been published in the last 20 years you need far more help then someone spouting political correctness can do for you. And besides that get off my lawn!
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