Crackhead price? Or a lot of crackheads in the old Camaro industry?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-RS-SS-/252237052748?vxp=mtr

it's a project

Sounds "crack pipe" to me, but I suppose mainly what you are buying is that VIN to reuse (cut out and weld into) a Dynacorn shell. I'd imagine a 396/4 spd 'vert sells for decent money.

That will buff out.

I think the market on this is being buoyed by the Dynacorn bodies that are available. They basically just want the VIN as the dyacorn is not able to be titled on its own. In theory this represents the minimum to make it a "restoration" and not a new manufacture. That being said, it can come very close to VIN swapping which is a federal crime.

Really freaky thing, there are companies selling the dynacorn camaros that want over $100k for a finished car (that might be done illegally). Everything I have seen says that the dynacorn stuff isnt anywhere near as nice as the original.

Good god thats ridiculous.

see this for some of the price stuff around http://www.bkpe.com/camaro/index.html#

Ian F wrote: Sounds "crack pipe" to me, but I suppose mainly what you are buying is that VIN to reuse (cut out and weld into) a Dynacorn shell. I'd imagine a 396/4 spd 'vert sells for decent money.

Exactly - this plus a base-model 6-cylinder shell or even a brand-new shell equals a "genuine" SS/RS 396 convertible. Assuming the completed car sells for the $100k++ they go for these days, $10k is a small price to pay for the VIN and trim tags.

I see the same thing all the time with Pontiac GTO's - someone buys a rusted hulk of a real GTO plus a base model Tempest from Arizona - bam instant GTO.

Meanwhile, GRM is basically restoring the VIN of an Elan...

Hey now, it does say "used".

It's certainly an easier way to sell classic cars. Not much to store, not much to ship.

Since I own a 67 Camaro, this makes me very, very happy. Go, crackpipe!

In reply to Apexcarver:

Actually, it depends on your state as to titling of the vehicle. It can be titled as a kit car or as a replacement shell for that VIN. I know Kalifornia, IIRC, even has adopted a rule for new builds that they only have to meet the standards of the year being represented.

Ranger50 wrote: In reply to Apexcarver: Actually, it depends on your state as to titling of the vehicle. It can be titled as a kit car or as a replacement shell for that VIN. I know Kalifornia, IIRC, even has adopted a rule for new builds that they only have to meet the standards of the year being represented.

There are outs that apply to kit cars, however some of the activities actually go Federal (and trump states) within Title 18 and there have been arguments regarding "repair" and "replace" wherein you can't just build a whole new car around only a VIN.

I will grant you that there is some grey area and there are a lot of people getting away with things that arent necessarily legal.

edit similar happened with the Unique Performance mustangs that were clones of the Gone in 60 Seconds car... http://jalopnik.com/359986/unique-performance-mustangs-allegedly-built-by-prisoners-used-13-gallons-of-bondo

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/mustang-mustank-more-like-it-7145985

with that firewall section, you are not only getting the VIN tag, but also the hidden VIN stamped into the firewall under the heater box...

about a decade ago, someone out there "restored" a 69 ZL1 that spent it's life as a race car and got back halfed with a ladder bar rear suspension and really wide tires sometime in the 70's. they also "added lightness" to the car by cutting a whole lot of holes in what was left of the car... they "restored" that car by welding a donor 6 cylinder body around the ZL1 firewall.. this was all documented on a website with almost daily updates over the course of the "restoration"... that car sold at auction not long after it was completed for as much as any other ZL1 Camaro, with the buyer (hopefully) having full knowledge of the story of the car.

I have an awesome hammer in my toolbox. It's had four handles and two heads..........

If it was from a Hemi 'Cuda, it would be 10 grand more...

Sounds about right for a high trim 69 Camaro firewall. I mean, people are bidding on it after all.

novaderrik wrote: with that firewall section, you are not only getting the VIN tag, but also the hidden VIN stamped into the firewall under the heater box... about a decade ago, someone out there "restored" a 69 ZL1 that spent it's life as a race car and got back halfed with a ladder bar rear suspension and really wide tires sometime in the 70's. they also "added lightness" to the car by cutting a whole lot of holes in what was left of the car... they "restored" that car by welding a donor 6 cylinder body around the ZL1 firewall.. this was all documented on a website with almost daily updates over the course of the "restoration"... that car sold at auction not long after it was completed for as much as any other ZL1 Camaro, with the buyer (hopefully) having full knowledge of the story of the car.

http://www.mat.fi/projects/62 http://www.mat.fi/projects/61

They removed the images that they used to have, where they rolled in a Celica that looked like it was just time-warped from a 1984 showroom, and eviscerate it for body panels.

http://www.mat.fi/projects/65

Likewise, they removed the images where they found the last clean Coupe GT in existence and cut it up for the floor and roof.

In all of their restorations, they make careful note to preserve the VIN and show it off periodically.

Then you look at the Ferarri 308s that they did, where they take a car and cut it away down to half of a skeleton, then build a new car more or less from scratch...

15 bids?

I'm starting to wonder who the crackheads are.