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Vigo
Vigo UltimaDork
1/11/19 9:29 p.m.

The engine on the webpage used an $800 Total Seal "Advantage" low tension gapless top ring / Napier 2nd package that was designed for SS Class cars, it used ring groove spacers with lateral gas ports. They reduce ring tension to the ragged minimum for those cars. Torque plate bore/hone. Assembled short block rotating torque was 13.3 ftlbs.

Ok, turning torque on the crank, makes sense to me now! That is a tiny number! Ring drag is something that I want to get more of a handle on. A while back i was putting together a motor with some forged pistons but it felt to me like the drag from the oil rings was excessive (by hand), but i don't have the depth of experience on that particular issue to make a call on it. I got an idea from YouTube and bought a fish-weighing scale to hook on the rod and pull the piston through the bore and measure the drag that way, but without much to compare it to I still didn't have a good feeling at the end. I never finished or ran the motor with those pistons/rings (which means it is all floating around my piles of stuff somewhere), leaving the whole experience feeling like an unresolved gaping hole in my engine-building knowledge. Thanks for the response.  

weedburner
weedburner Reader
1/12/19 10:50 a.m.

Some low buck guys play with oil ring expander size to reduce tension. For instance a 4.00" expander in a 4.030" bore can drop the oil ring from 24lbs to 16lbs. Some builders even collect various size/brands of new/used expanders, so they can mix/match parts to experiment with various amounts of oil ring drag.

Grant

 

noddaz
noddaz GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/12/19 11:00 a.m.

One of these won't work?  Fresh air injection valve.  Of course you would have to run some plumbing down to the exhaust...

And it also may require routine maintenance as it was never meant to have oil vapors running through it. 

weedburner
weedburner Reader
1/12/19 11:05 a.m.
noddaz said:

One of these won't work?  Fresh air injection valve.  Of course you would have to run some plumbing down to the exhaust...

And it also may require routine maintenance as it was never meant to have oil vapors running through it. 

I use one of those as a check valve on the outlet of my electric pump, allows my pcv valve to draw a vacuum when the electric pump isn't being used.

Grant

 

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