Seen this???
Seen this???
The Boston.com Big Picture section always has some amazing photography, car related or not. I haven't seen a Big Picture article in a while, but I'm glad that's still true.
I think one says it all about the race.
He brought it on himself. I'm not getting into it, but everyone knows he did, whether deserved or not is an entirely different question. And I was rooting for him!
What happened?
In reply to HiTempguy:
The only thing I see he brought on himself was letting the ASO get in his head. If this was truly the same system he used in the past and passed inspection with, whats the problem? Did I miss somthing?
In reply to DaewooOfDeath:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sports/dakar/american-hummer-driver-robby-gordon-under-threat-of-disqualification-from-dakar-rally/story-fn5k5ou0-1226242253577
Start at 2 min. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9poY-BbBKq0
todd900ss wrote: If this was truly the same system he used in the past and passed inspection with, whats the problem? Did I miss somthing?
It doesn't matter. The problem is it is illegal, WHETHER ALLOWED TO RACE PREVIOUSLY OR OTHERWISE. It does not make a difference if you "did not know" or "they never had a problem with it before".
Beyond that, when he lost the cv boot which mangled a whole bunch of stuff, that's because he was driving like a dink. Yes, it happened when he was passing Petter, but this is rally, and not just rally, but rally over a friekin' 400km stage. He needs to cool his jets, it wasn't Petter's fault he was a 'tard who made a bonehead pass and hit a rock.
One of the biggest problems I have with the way he has handled things is his "amurikah, f&^k yea" attitude. By all means, be the badass mother berkeleyer, but have the humility to admit when you were wrong and/or you aren't such a BAMF.
HiTempguy wrote: Beyond that, when he lost the cv boot which mangled a whole bunch of stuff, that's because he was driving like a dink. Yes, it happened when he was passing Petter, but this is rally, and not just rally, but rally over a friekin' 400km stage. He needs to cool his jets, it wasn't Petter's fault he was a 'tard who made a bonehead pass and hit a rock. One of the biggest problems I have with the way he has handled things is his "amurikah, f&^k yea" attitude. By all means, be the badass mother berkeleyer, but have the humility to admit when you were wrong and/or you aren't such a BAMF.
I was under the impression that Gordon was passing Peterhansel and was getting blocked which, IIRC, is illegal under the rules.
Then again, that same driver ran over a competitor at a water crossing and refused to stop and render aid; that's also a no-no.
But, it's OK because he's French, just like the organizers who make and enforce the rules.
In reply to HiTempguy:
Ageed on the diving like a dink on stage 10 after the DQ, he let them get in his head. Up to that point he has handled this years race well, not pushing to hard and a laid back attitude.
I have not seen the rule book, so was it illegal? I still am not sure of the mod that was made (and dont think any of us know for sure). If was made to the engine air intake/air filter system and the rule book states that no mod can be, then yes he was wrong.
In reply to oldsaw:
Yes Gordon was passing and using the sentinel, Peterhansel needed to move over. But Gordon needed to have more patience in that pass. As motorcyclist that pass at the water crossing pissed me off. He should know better, six of his wins were on bikes.
oldsaw wrote: But, it's OK because he's French, just like the organizers who make and enforce the rules.
This discussion is not about that though, this discussion is about RG. If somebody was talking about Petter as a shining beacon of Dakar goodwill, I'd be arguing just the same.
Beyond that, there is a difference between behavioral and technical violations. We all know that. There is no questioning technical ones, either legal or not. Behavioral, well...
My point is, anyone thinking Robbie got screwed is probably a moon landing conspiracy theorist. I don't care if he wasn't driving like a dink prior to all of the E36 M3storm, I care about what happened during and after it. And two things happened:
He was asked to LEAVE the event, only being allowed to stay after filing for appeal (I wonder how much THAT cost!)
And, he drove like a dink afterwards causing his vehicle related issues.
In reply to HiTempguy:
Go back and read the OP; this thread is about the Dakar (in general, pics specifically) and has taken its' course.
As far as RG, if he has violated the rules then he should pay the price; as should any competitor. The rules are the rules whether they relate to things technical or behavioural. A truck driver was DQ'd earlier in the rally when he drove over a competitor while making a pass. Peterhansel committed the same act and was allowed to continue.
I'm fine with one be a stickler about the rules, not so much when they aren't applied evenly. YMMV........
oldsaw wrote: In reply to HiTempguy: Go back and read the OP; this thread is about the Dakar (in general, pics specifically) and has taken its' course. As far as RG, if he has violated the rules then he should pay the price; as should any competitor. The rules are the rules whether they relate to things technical or behavioural. A truck driver was DQ'd earlier in the rally when he drove over a competitor while making a pass. Peterhansel committed the same act and was allowed to continue. I'm fine with one be a stickler about the rules, not so much when they aren't applied evenly. YMMV........
THIS
When you guys say "drove over a competitor" what do you actually mean?
HiTempguy wrote:todd900ss wrote: If this was truly the same system he used in the past and passed inspection with, whats the problem? Did I miss somthing?It doesn't matter. The problem is it is illegal, WHETHER ALLOWED TO RACE PREVIOUSLY OR OTHERWISE. It does not make a difference if you "did not know" or "they never had a problem with it before".
Scrutineering at Dakar is not like passing tech at an SCCA event. It really is a "legal or not" inspection in addition to the safety inspection like many think it is. RG is furious because it's passed the "legal or not" inspection many times. After his biggest competition protested ANOTHER ITEM, a single field inspector made the call it was illegal.
modernbeat wrote: Scrutineering at Dakar is not like passing tech at an SCCA event. It really is a "legal or not" inspection in addition to the safety inspection like many think it is. RG is furious because it's passed the "legal or not" inspection many times. After his biggest competition protested ANOTHER ITEM, a single field inspector made the call it was illegal.
Have you done Dakar before? Or looked at the rules?
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