defining "restored"

here's an '87 BMW M6 i found on CL today. discuss proper application of the word "restored":

are the pix before or after?

Maybe it was "restored" back in 2000 or so, and then had that tarp attached to it to marinate for the next 13 years?

Apparently this seller, like many others on CL, thinks that when you replace any and all normal wear parts that it somehow means you have restored a vehicle. I could be wrong, but I don't think a "restored" BWM of any model/vintage ever had shepskin seat covers as a factory item. Which leads into what I call restored: it's (the vehicle in question) restored when it is "as delivered" to the dealer from the factory. If the car/truck/motorcycle in question left the factory as a dove grey car, but you re-painted it "resale red"....it's NOT restored. If the car was red, but you repaint it "Viper Red", it's not really restored. If it left the factory with Stromberg carbs and you switched to Webers...sorry, it ain't restored. Call it lightly modded, or whatever, but calling a formerly red car (not the case here) that has been re-painted yellow as "restored" is akin to calling a Mustang that you have added Shelby parts to, a Cobra. In other words, a mis-representation.

Since it looks like this car has not run in awhile, and no mention is made of it's running (or not) condition....this replacing of parts does NOT make this a restored car.

IMHO:

a "restored" car should run, even if it's not currently roadworthy,

my definition of restored is very narrow, but I think others have overly broadened it.

I 'd at the engine picture, flats, etc being called "Restored" perhaps he thinks rebuilt title. Even then, isn't his asking price a bit high?

In reply to integraguy:

Then you've got the crowd that goes the other way and over restores a car, nicer than it left the factory. None of those muscle cars rolled out from Detroit with nice panel gaps, perfect paint, free of squeaks/rattles, even undercoating application, etc. I've always thought it would be a great experiment to see what BAC one needs to hold in order to make a restored car come out to proper 1960s specs.

i know the car, i looked at the car, i passed on car. he wants all the money for the car in the world but it has good points i offered him 5k for it and he turned it down

I'm guessing from the condition of the car that he means he poured in a can of Restore engine treatment.

It was restored and it needs restored again.

$8k? Should go in the "Ran When Parked" column.

Rest-ore(d).

It's what happens to oxidized steel after it lies dormant for a very long time.

914Driver wrote: $8k? Should go in the "Ran When Parked" column.

Exactly... that car is the embodiment of "ran when parked."

Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to integraguy: Then you've got the crowd that goes the other way and over restores a car, nicer than it left the factory. None of those muscle cars rolled out from Detroit with nice panel gaps, perfect paint, free of squeaks/rattles, even undercoating application, etc. I've always thought it would be a great experiment to see what BAC one needs to hold in order to make a restored car come out to proper 1960s specs.

my theory about those cars that are over restored is that the people doing the restoring are trying to get it to how the designers and engineers saw it in their heads before it got released to the production people to build them by the hundreds of thousands..

but it's also possible that no self respecting car restorer would try to leave runs and light spots in the paint or make it look like a drunk orangutan installed the fenders and hood..

regarding the BMW in the OP: that's a lot of money for a $1k car...

They stored it. Pulled it out, and realized it was more than they were prepared to repair. So they re-stored it.

regarding the BMW in the OP: that's a lot of money for a $1k car...

if you are seeing 1987 BMW M6's out there for $1k i will let you triple your money. the car you are looking at in this ad is worth 5k all day long. the shark M is going up in value. in ads like this you have to look passed all the BS and look at the car which i did and the more this post keeps hanging around the the top of the board i may have to up my offer on it

cutter67 wrote:

regarding the BMW in the OP: that's a lot of money for a $1k car...

if you are seeing 1987 BMW M6's out there for $1k i will let you triple your money. the car you are looking at in this ad is worth 5k all day long. the shark M is going up in value. in ads like this you have to look passed all the BS and look at the car which i did and the more this post keeps hanging around the the top of the board i may have to up my offer on it

all those BMW's look the same to me- none of them are worth more than a grand to me..

novaderrik wrote: all those BMW's look the same to me- none of them are worth more than a grand to me..

All those funny green rectangles with the old dead guys on them look the same to me- none of them are worth more than a buck to me..

Beer Baron wrote: They stored it. Pulled it out, and realized it was more than they were prepared to repair. So they re-stored it.

Beat me to it.

"Restored" and "Mint". The most abused/ misused descriptions on the automotive internet.

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Taken out of storage still broken and then re-stored in the barn in a new space.

I like the list of new parts. As in, all those parts where new when the car was new. :-)

novaderrik wrote: all those BMW's look the same to me- none of them are worth more than a grand to me..

Same difference as offering $1k for a grand national as your mentality shows you would only see it as a regal with a turbine badge.

Beer Baron wrote: They stored it. Pulled it out, and realized it was more than they were prepared to repair. So they re-stored it.

That is "Say What?" Worthy!

novaderrik wrote:

cutter67 wrote:

regarding the BMW in the OP: that's a lot of money for a $1k car...

if you are seeing 1987 BMW M6's out there for $1k i will let you triple your money. the car you are looking at in this ad is worth 5k all day long. the shark M is going up in value. in ads like this you have to look passed all the BS and look at the car which i did and the more this post keeps hanging around the the top of the board i may have to up my offer on it

all those BMW's look the same to me- none of them are worth more than a grand to me..

To be fair, some of them have their tailpipes at the middle of the rear valence and that looks... different.

Looks like the dashboard just barfed.