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DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/11/22 1:09 p.m.

Anybody want to talk about all the lumpy little cars and trucks and bikes they drive in the rest of the world? 

Within the last week, I have had two occasions to use the phrase, "Lada Samara", and it occurred to me that cars of the regions listed in the title - the cars that a significant portion of the ex-communist or developing world drives - are still relatively unknown to most of us here.

Anybody else want to talk about all the lumpy little cars and they drive in the rest of the world? Trucks, too, for that matter. Whatever. Share your encyclopedic knowledge of the Skoda Favorit.  Confess your fondness for the Borgward Isabella. Regale us with the story of that time you were on a bicycle tour of Argentina and saw a Rambler American that went like a striped ape and sounded for all the world like an E-Type, or that time you got blasted into the rhubarb by an enormous Tatra travelling at unholy speeds over unspeakably rough roads. Whatever.

Who wants to go first?

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
9/11/22 1:29 p.m.

I would have a Chang Jiang just for the weirdness of it.

A Chinese copy of a Russian copy of a pre-war German motorcycle. What could go wrong?

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
9/11/22 1:33 p.m.

Not exact to your premise but related...

Just recently, FB served me up this story via another automotive related site.  I have linked to the original story they wrote about.  It is a NPR stroy of a salvage titled, US 2020 Lexus RX350 from New Jersey that happened to surface in the country of Turkmenistan.  I guess that FB algorithm really knows me.  I too have watched/bought in salvage auctions and I know many cars leave the country.  I too just made assumptions of where they went. It was an interesting and entertaining 30 minute NPR story.  

Turbine
Turbine GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/11/22 1:43 p.m.



I'd absolutely love to own a Lada Niva one day. A small, capable, and reliable off roader with a manual transmission and true 4wd? Whats not to like?

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/11/22 1:46 p.m.

I still kinda want a 2107 or 2101, but I do not think this is quite optically good in the West in 2022.

Skobie
Skobie New Reader
9/11/22 1:54 p.m.

Anybody hungry for some buhanka?

84FSP
84FSP UberDork
9/11/22 2:40 p.m.
Turbine said:



I'd absolutely love to own a Lada Niva one day. A small, capable, and reliable off roader with a manual transmission and true 4wd? Whats not to like?

That is a 1.8t swap away from glorious.  Are they expensive?

buzzboy
buzzboy SuperDork
9/11/22 3:02 p.m.

My Jeep is badged as an SHZJ213 for a reason!

I've always liked a 2107

Peabody
Peabody MegaDork
9/11/22 3:11 p.m.

I bought my 86 Skoda 130GLS in 91 for the princely sum of $500 because it had a burnt exhaust valve and was running on 3/4 of it's intended cylinders.  A new valve and head gasket were under $20, tax included, and I had it running like new in under 4 hrs.
It was rear engine, RWD with a 1.3L water cooled slant 4. Pipes ran the length of the car to the rad up front and, heat transfer being what it is, the climate control was somewhat less than ideal in winter. Especially with the way the vents on the hood liked to pull in cold air, and the internal vent system liked to leak. There were scoops on the hood you could turn around backwards, but eventually the cardboard came out and they got covered up, making it only slightly better.

The purple seats were only marginally comfortable, and only for a short time. And while fuel economy was quite good, and the car very reliable, output from the leaning tower of Czechoslovakian power was such that with the family in the car, any hill would present an opportunity to practice your shifting, gearing down, sometimes to third, in a vain attempt to maintain highway speed.

 Like most of the girls I've dated, it was quirky, and odd looking, but I loved it.   The trunk, complete with side opening hood, was in the front, and like most, mine also sat high there. So I pulled the springs, cut them and lowered it reversing the rake making it look just about right.
Around once a year I'd get the rubbing compound out and clean up the burgundy paint. It generally took  6-8 months to go from nice, shiny, sexy burgundy, to totally flat red primer .
The entire time I owned it, I only ever had one problem. Shortly after doing a tune up it broke down on us during a summer evening  drive, out to get ice cream. I got it running, brought it home and retraced my steps through the tuneup. It took about 15 minutes but I found it. I'd gapped the plugs a little too wide and the  points ignition system didn't have enough jam to reliably jump the .035" gap. I didn't know whether to praise the simplicity, or curse the inadequacy, so I did neither and we got that ice cream. 
 

The funniest thing about the car was, I had debadged it. And with it being lowered, and the wider and lower profile than stock rubber,, it looked pretty good, at least I thought so. And when people would ask me what it was I'd tell them, with a straight face, it's an old Alfa Romeo, and nobody  ever questioned it. 
 

The dealer was a small repair shop that sold them as a sideline, and the owner, who really liked the simplicity of the cars, was very helpful. After Volkswagen bought Skoda and they were no longer selling them in Canada, he started selling Ladas. I was very close to buying a new Samara at the time, but was concerned with reliability and bought a used diesel Rabbit instead. It turned out to be the worst, most unreliable car I've ever owned. 
 

I was once pulled out of a ditch and up a snowy hill in my 74 Regal by a Lada Niva. The owner of said Niva lived at the bottom of the hill and charged $10 to pull you out/get you to the top. The Niva was surprisingly capable and he was a busy guy some days. 

Trent
Trent PowerDork
9/11/22 5:07 p.m.

A rust free vintage Fiat 124 Berlina is my unicorn. So of course I watch out for any VAZ or Lada 2101's and have come close to pulling the trigger on importing a few

 

A Zaz Zaporozhet would be cool

I do like a Skoda 110R

 

Pretty much all small "eurotrash" autos are my thing so of course Soviet era stuff appeals to me.

Rons
Rons GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/11/22 6:54 p.m.

 

Does my 1984 Hyundai Pony count. The Pony was rear wheel drive and shared a history with 1970s Mitsubishi Lancers. That was the first car I owned with a 5 speed and hatchback. They were cheap and pretty much non existent today.

And a special pic for Peabody, a Skoda Super Saloon

 

Patrick
Patrick GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/11/22 7:59 p.m.

I'm partial to Wartburgs myself

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
9/11/22 8:11 p.m.

I worked an some Ladas when were sold in Canada.  Basically, a cast iron Fiat without the Italian flair, but retaining the Italian reliability.

DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/11/22 8:38 p.m.
John Welsh said:

Not exact to your premise but related...

Just recently, FB served me up this story via another automotive related site.  I have linked to the original story they wrote about.  It is a NPR stroy of a salvage titled, US 2020 Lexus RX350 from New Jersey that happened to surface in the country of Turkmenistan.  I guess that FB algorithm really knows me.  I too have watched/bought in salvage auctions and I know many cars leave the country.  I too just made assumptions of where they went. It was an interesting and entertaining 30 minute NPR story.  

Thanks. It was indeed interesting and entertaining. Not entirely unrelated, I guess, in that some of those regions previously saddled with the, uh, less glamorous products mentioned in this thread are now clamoring for the kind of Western vehicles that were strictly off limits in the dark old days.

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
9/11/22 8:47 p.m.

There was a small used car dealer in a town in the Lower Mainland of B.C. with a large population of Eastern European immigrants.

The dealer was importing and selling Trabants because there was a demand for them. They went out of business about fifteen years ago and I haven't seen a trace of any of the cars they imported.

Either they all fell apart and died or nobody who owns one is selling it.

ddavidv
ddavidv UltimaDork
9/11/22 11:01 p.m.

I have a friend in eastern TN that owns a Trabant. Not sure if I should be proud to share that or not.

I did drive a Lada Niva once, with a Fiat dohc engine swap. It was unfortunately 'meh'.

Having owned Fiat 124s and had to use replacement parts made in Russia because Italy no longer cares, I'm not really a fan of their quality. When I worked for an ex-Fiat dealer in the 1990s we repaired a few Yugos. The Yugoslavian parts would fail prematurely and we'd replace them with Fiat-made parts. Never replaced the same parts again. The Italians can't make electrical connectors or sheet metal but they at least understand alloys and metalurgy. The Yugoslavians couldn't make a clutch disc that would last more than 30,000 miles.

I will confess, I've always wanted to drive a Borgward. They were supposedly a high quality car. I know they imported a few in the 50s-early 60s but have never seen one.

I'm also upset Harry's U-Pull-It wouldn't sell me the Sabra pickup they had perched on top of a trailer for years. (I'm rather proud I knew what it was) ETA: photo of another Sabra Sussita for reference.

Patrick
Patrick GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/12/22 10:22 a.m.

 

most everyone here knows the Wartburg but pic added for thread pleasure.

also pinged my friend Ellie hoping she posts her Lada. 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ UltimaDork
9/12/22 10:28 a.m.

I'm just here to post GAZ rally trucks.

GAZ 51 urmo fotonurk™

Kaido Vilu − Ants Uustalu − GAZ 51 − Grossi Toidukaubad Viru Rally 2019

Rally trucks. GAZ-51, GAZ-53. Ралійні вантажівки ГАЗ-51 та ГАЗ-53. - YouTube

 

 

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia UltraDork
9/12/22 10:33 a.m.

Trabants we're built in East Germany and had 2 stroke motors ,

After the wall came down it was bought by VW which  put a VW motor in it , I think from a Polo .

That only lasted a couple years and production was stopped.

I only drove around in one a few times, it was better than walking...... Which was probably the best sales point !

 

 

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Carl Heideman
Carl Heideman
9/12/22 10:45 a.m.

I have a Trabant and put up this Trabant Experience Thread on the Builds and Project Cars forum. I have been lazy in updating the thread, and honestly lazy in driving the car. I was so busy during the earlier parts of the pandemic that it hardly saw use in 2020 and maybe none in 2021. I've had it out a few times this summer. It started right away after its 1+ year slumber and always brings a smile. I guess this should motivate me to put a few more updates in the thread.

The easiest picture to find was on my phone parked next to my Fiat 500.  There are more pics in the build thread of course.

Ellie
Ellie None
9/12/22 1:27 p.m.

Patrick said I should post up here, so i figured i should actually get around to making use of my my account haha.

I ended up with a '82 Canadian-spec Niva about 8 years ago (technically my 1st car although it didn't get on the road until somewhat recently). As far as I can tell it's one of the oldest ones left in the country at this point; they mostly all rusted away (and even my decent-condition car needed me to replace rockers, rear arches, front floors, and the bottoms of the fenders).

it's a ton of fun in the way that only a very slow old car can be; with the 5.13 axle gears and 4spd it's turning about 4000 rpm at 93km/h so not exactly the best for long trips (I may put in a 5spd one day to help with that). It'll go literally anywhere you point it though, and seems almost immortal; most fixes can be done with a stick and some fencing wire.

it's currently parked for a couple of weeks while I wait for the fuel tank to get cleaned by a radiator shop; other than clogging fuel filters rapidly it was running perfectly happily on the gas in the last picture though haha.

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
9/12/22 2:14 p.m.
Turbine said:


I'd absolutely love to own a Lada Niva one day. A small, capable, and reliable off roader with a manual transmission and true 4wd? Whats not to like?

While a Niva has a certain counter-cultural flair to it, I think you just described a Suzuki Samurai and to a lesser extent (not quite as small) a Suzuki Sidekick or Geo Tracker. All of which are great fun and quite capable offroad.

stuart in mn
stuart in mn MegaDork
9/12/22 3:50 p.m.

There's a fellow in the Czech Republic who occasionally posts over on the Garage Journal forum, who has a highly modified Skoda track car.  https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/skoda-garage-from-czech-republic.269060/page-11  Unfortunately most of his picture links are broken, but there are still some live links to YouTube videos of the car on the track.

lemachin
lemachin New Reader
9/12/22 11:18 p.m.
Peabody said:

I bought my 86 Skoda 130GLS in 91 for the princely sum of $500

Was it any good to drive? Not knowing any better, I'd love to get my hands on a Skoda 130. They seldom pop up for sale, and when they do the owners are usually eccentric enough to demand extravagant sums for them. 

Peabody
Peabody MegaDork
9/13/22 10:46 a.m.

In reply to stuart in mn :

I was going to post a pic of that guy's car to show the stance, and what a good looking car they are, despite what PW thinks.

This what mine looked like new, before the burgundy paint would oxidize. Note how they sit high in the front with an empty trunk.

And this is how they can look with a little adjustment to the ride height. I didn't have aftermarket wheels on mine, just the factory sport wheels, which I can't seem to find a pic of. I wonder if they were an export only thing?

And the sideways trunk, this is actually the 105, but the trunk's the same.

I really enjoyed my Škoda. It was very much simple, straightforward, no nonsense, and very reliable. I commuted over 100,000km with it with no issues at all.

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