ransom
ransom GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
3/14/13 10:45 a.m.

This popped into my head for some reason this morning, and didn't seem to quite fit in the self-inflicted idiocy thread, though it's not far off.

Hoping this'll be a thread of solutions folks have put together and in retrospect would never let leave the shop like that again.

The thing that brought the topic up for me was thinking about the individual throttle body setup I built for the 2002's last incarnation. It used the base part of an E21 320i manifold, about the first 3", but instead of using the big 180-degree runners and a plenum, I welded pieces of 2" dia, 1/8" wall aluminum tubing to flanges that I cut out of bar stock. The inside of the tubing conveniently exactly matched the BMW manifold, and luck continuing, the outside of the tubing neatly matched the jubilee clamps on a set of GSXR1000 throttle bodies. Spiffy!

I had to bore the injector bungs on the manifold to use modern injectors instead of the CIS units, but the angle and spacing were correct to use an E30 fuel rail. Tidy!

Here's where I point out a salient thing: The injectors were mounted to the stub manifold, which was bolted to the head. The throttle bodies, meanwhile, were on clamped rubber joints.

To my credit, I had taken a burr on a dremel and attempted to put something resembling retaining grooves for the ribs on the rubber joints, but it was less than optimal.

The (exciting) result was that every once in a while, it would spit back while starting, and pop the throttle bodies right off the ends of the stub manifolds.

The exciting part, of course, is that to a MAP system like the way I had Megasquirt configured, no throttle bodies looks just like wide open throttle, and of course the injectors are still right there, pointed down the intake ports. And then I'm frantically grabbing at the ignition key to shut things down.

That happened two or three times while that setup was on the car. The thing that always hits me with a shot of delayed-reaction adrenaline is when I think about what would have happened if they'd fallen off while driving.

So, that's the sort of visceral reaction that makes me swear that everything that leaves my shop in future will be better thought out and better executed than some of what happened in the past.

Anybody else got any formative experiences?

NOHOME
NOHOME Dork
3/14/13 11:07 a.m.

From many years down this same road, I can only offer this advice:

Wisdom will only come from experience and experience will come from a lack of wisdom.

oldtin
oldtin UltraDork
3/14/13 11:10 a.m.

That sounds like a common development/debugging process where the 2nd or 3rd iteration ends up being a much better finished product. My diy errors are more like forgetting about the parking brake mechanism on a rear disk as I start forcing the rotor off. So after making that goof - I now take a second to think about the task. I also now have a parking brake that actually works.

alfadriver
alfadriver PowerDork
3/14/13 11:23 a.m.

In reply to ransom:

On our challenge car, we had the same issue with the intake popping off.

Due to boost.

Man, it ran great with no throttle. Scary, but great.

We used actual retaining screws....

motomoron
motomoron Dork
3/14/13 11:25 a.m.

In my professional career I call this "The iterative design process".

At home I call this "learning from my berkeley-ups"

I make relatively few mistakes as a result of having made stuff practically every day for about 40 years, and having literally every tool and machine imaginable - but if I'm in a hurry, I still manage to learn quite a lot.

As my dad says - "Experience is what you get when you expected something else"

VWguyBruce
VWguyBruce HalfDork
3/14/13 11:57 a.m.
motomoron wrote: As my dad says - "Experience is what you get when you expected something else"

Great dad quote!

poopshovel
poopshovel UltimaDork
3/14/13 12:13 p.m.
NOHOME wrote: From many years down this same road, I can only offer this advice: Wisdom will only come from experience and experience will come from a lack of wisdom.

I'm borrowing that!

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
3/14/13 12:19 p.m.

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you fix it next time.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
3/14/13 12:33 p.m.

Well that was helpful, I was planning on a similar ITB setup (with head-mounted injectors and everything). I was also planning to use some threaded rods holding the two halves together for structural support which would have prevented that, but I didn't think about the possibility of an intake backfire blowing the whole thing off. I'll keep that in mind now.

NOHOME
NOHOME Dork
3/14/13 1:09 p.m.
poopshovel wrote:
NOHOME wrote: From many years down this same road, I can only offer this advice: Wisdom will only come from experience and experience will come from a lack of wisdom.
I'm borrowing that!

The layman's version:

"Dare to be stupid, life will be more interesting."

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