Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
7/10/12 5:24 p.m.

Ouch.

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
7/10/12 5:31 p.m.

HA! I love the Art Morrison and Steeda sticker in the window.....

That alone would hint to me that this person has more money than brains, the "roll cage" just confirms this theory.

MrJoshua
MrJoshua PowerDork
7/10/12 5:33 p.m.

Lol-I have seen that cage design in tuner magazine many times.

docwyte
docwyte HalfDork
7/10/12 5:36 p.m.

Yep, looks like a Cusco cage. Totally worthless.

Basil Exposition
Basil Exposition Reader
7/10/12 5:46 p.m.

Obviously just for show. They probably spent more time choosing the color than the cage material. Maybe it is aluminum tubing-- saves weight and much easier to bend.

I think I've heard some stories of kamikaze race teams making cages out of PVC and painting it black.

Also reminds me of a certain dickhead in our vintage race group that has used electrical conduit for some of the smaller tubing. And this was for other people that he charged to build roll cages!

LopRacer
LopRacer Reader
7/10/12 5:48 p.m.

Wow just Wow, I guess that gives you all the style and inconvenience of a cage with none of the added safety and security.

ransom
ransom GRM+ Memberand Dork
7/10/12 5:58 p.m.
Basil Exposition wrote: Also reminds me of a certain dickhead in our vintage race group that has used electrical conduit for some of the smaller tubing. And this was for other people that he charged to build roll cages!

That's Serious.

It's a dumb move in general, but trying to save a few bucks on materials by putting someone else's ass at risk is not remotely okay in any way, shape, or form.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
7/10/12 6:23 p.m.

In reply to Basil Exposition:

I'm guessing cusco shipped it in that color by default.

Will
Will Dork
7/10/12 7:08 p.m.

Focus ZX3?

sachilles
sachilles Dork
7/10/12 7:29 p.m.

I'm pretty sure they market it as style bars. The cage in my race car makes me think twice whether I need to get in the car or not, being a bit of an inconveince. I don't think I'd intentionally put non functional bars in a street just for that very reason.

irish44j
irish44j SuperDork
7/10/12 7:36 p.m.

gives racetrak cred to a car that doesn't even have sporty seats, yo!

N Sperlo
N Sperlo PowerDork
7/10/12 7:40 p.m.

Here's one.

...Oh crap, that's my car.

Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon MegaDork
7/10/12 7:48 p.m.

Somewhere I remember seeing swing out door bars...

... this one even includes that front bar design. Wasted effort.

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
7/10/12 7:51 p.m.

I saw a Cusco "cage" the other day and was stunned to see the S bend by the A-pillar. Not to mention the tubing itself looks like a joke - my kid's swingset looks like it will hold up better...

shadetree30
shadetree30 Reader
7/10/12 8:59 p.m.
Basil Exposition wrote: Also reminds me of a certain dickhead in our vintage race group that has used electrical conduit for some of the smaller tubing. And this was for other people that he charged to build roll cages!

I am not making this up.

When I went to SCCA Drivers' School at Summit Point (late '70s) there was a written examination with one of the questions: "True or False: Electrical conduit is an acceptable roll cage material"

vern2point3
vern2point3 New Reader
7/10/12 9:50 p.m.

Gotta love those examples of why FIA bars are being required on A-pillar tubes. As far as electrical conduit goes, it's been going on for a long time.

I recall seeing a website article on the BARC (Binghamton Area Racing Club) site detailing the 1950s use of conduit tubing to make rollbars for then new MGAs.

Some time later I ran across comment on the PA Hillclimb .org website that talked about old timers being amazed to find cars being entered at their events into the 1960s with roll bars made from electrical conduit.

It ranks right up there with someone I know buying an old Boss 302 race car and finding out that the roll cage was built out of exhaust tubing. Only the main hoop, (with the inspection hole) and the rear braces were legal wall thickness tubing, essentially giving the car just a roll bar for protection and a big weight advantage over cars with legal cages.

Basil Exposition
Basil Exposition Reader
7/10/12 10:41 p.m.
ransom wrote:
Basil Exposition wrote: Also reminds me of a certain dickhead in our vintage race group that has used electrical conduit for some of the smaller tubing. And this was for other people that he charged to build roll cages!
That's **Serious**. It's a dumb move in general, but trying to save a few bucks on materials by putting someone **else's** ass at risk is not remotely okay in any way, shape, or form.

Same guy did a LeMons cage. He couldn't reach the top corners of the cage because of the roof, so he just welded them 3/4 around. Fairly common shortcoming on LeMons cages, so tech caught it. He was actually driving on the team and the cage was supposed to be his contribution to the car, which he had kept for weeks and then bs'd the cage at the last minute. The whole team had to sit out a half day while it cost the car owner $300 to fix the cage properly.

Then he has the gall to write an anonymous letter to a vintage racing magazine about how our club was "unsafe".

Did I mention he is a dickhead?

ScottRA21
ScottRA21 Reader
7/10/12 11:20 p.m.

In reply to Basil Exposition:

....And people still TALK TO HIM!?

Wally
Wally GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
7/10/12 11:34 p.m.
Basil Exposition wrote: Same guy did a LeMons cage. He couldn't reach the top corners of the cage because of the roof, so he just welded them 3/4 around. Fairly common shortcoming on LeMons cages, so tech caught it.

If you can't weld it all the way around you probably are in the wrong line of work.. A few years ago I stopped at a wadded up Golf on my way home from work. The passenger got hurt when the bolt in rollbar, which was not bolted to the floor, hit her.

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